Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

Will Israel Do Lebanon’s Dirty Work?

Trump loses patience as Beirut fails to disarm Hezbollah terrorists.




By The Editorial Board

Nov. 7, 2025 5:51 pm ET

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Lebanese people on the site of an Israeli airstrike in the town of Abbassiyeh, Lebanon, Nov. 6. ALI HASHISHO/ZUMA PRESS


You didn’t get your hopes up, did you? All the hype about the Lebanese disarming Hezbollah has given way to familiar passivity and disappointment. Which in turn is causing the U.S. red light on major renewed Israeli military action to turn green.

On Thursday Israel sent evacuation orders to several villages in southern Lebanon and launched air strikes on Hezbollah targets. A military official warned this was “only a preview” of what will come if Lebanon’s army doesn’t disarm the terrorists.

Hezbollah has been rebuilding in defiance of the cease-fire agreement a year ago that ended its devastation by Israel. A senior Israeli official tells us the Iranian smuggling route to Hezbollah via Syria hasn’t been fully closed, and that the terrorists are rearming faster than Israel has been able to degrade them with one-off strikes against cease-fire violations.

In particular Hezbollah is again smuggling and building the rockets and antitank missiles that made the north of Israel a no-go zone for more than a year after October 2023. If there’s one lesson Israelis have taken from the massacre of Oct. 7, it’s that they can never again let Iran-backed jihadists build up on their borders. This is also what the Lebanese government pledged to prevent. It was supposed to disarm Hezbollah by the end of this year.

The Trump Administration is running out of patience. “Should Beirut continue to hesitate, Israel may act unilaterally,” Tom Barrack, the U.S. envoy to Lebanon, warned in October, and that’s what happened. “It is really up to the Lebanese,” Mr. Barrack added last week. “America is not going to get deeper involved in the situation with a foreign terrorist organization and a failed state dictating the pace.”

Mr. Barrack is frustrated with Lebanon’s “paralyzed government,” and it isn’t his fault. He gave it every chance, restraining Israel for months. But Beirut will neither confiscate Hezbollah arms—beyond what the terrorists themselves allow—nor come to terms with Israel. “You can’t say the word ‘Israel’ in Lebanon,” Mr. Barrack said. “It’s illegal to have a conversation with Israel. What era are we living in?”

Israeli talk of destroying Hezbollah once and for all may be too ambitious, but signs of a new offensive are multiplying. On Sunday Iraq’s Defense Minister said he received a “final warning” from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that his country’s Iran-backed Shiite militias must sit out any renewed conflict in the region.

President Trump has a new reason to reinforce America’s credibility in the region: Gaza. What does Hamas have to fear in resisting disarmament, in violation of the Trump peace plan, when it sees Hezbollah getting away with the same in Lebanon?

We remember when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said after the 2006 Lebanon War that Beirut and the United Nations would disarm Hezbollah and exclude it from southern Lebanon. When they proved toothless, the failure to respond made another war with Israel inevitable. Better not to make the same mistake again.

Appeared in the November 8, 2025, print edition as 'Will Israel Do Lebanon’s Dirty Work?'.
So the descendants of stern gang, Irgun, Lehi, and hagannah are calling others terrorists ?😂😂 @Solomon2 do you agree with the king David hotel bombing or the Lavon affair ?
 
So the descendants of stern gang, Irgun, Lehi, and hagannah are calling others terrorists ?😂😂 @Solomon2 do you agree with the king David hotel bombing or the Lavon affair ?
Its their way of misdirecting their own crimes unto others. Just like when they swing a innocent chicken by the neck to transfer their own guilt to the poor bird!
 
I have firm confidence The West can be defeated. It just takes time.
West or East neither does anyone any good so who cares if the west falls and East rises the East will do the same as the west and vice versa Arab and Muslim nations need to step up United instead of against one another
 
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Lebanon's Prime Minister tweets now:

Thank you, all thanks to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and its leadership that is always keen on Lebanon's stability and prosperity, for its kind initiative today towards it by announcing readiness to take imminent steps to enhance trade relations between our two countries and to remove obstacles to Lebanese exports.

We also highly appreciate the Kingdom's recognition of the efforts of the President of the Republic and the Lebanese government in preventing the use of Lebanon to undermine the security of its Arab brothers, and combating drug smuggling.

And Lebanon remains the loyal and faithful brother to its Arab brothers who have never hesitated to show all love and support for it.

The tweet of the Lebanese prime minister Nawaf Salam in question:

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Urgent:

( Important developments between Saudi Arabia and Lebanon)

A high-ranking Saudi official told Reuters:

-We will take imminent steps to strengthen trade relations with Lebanon

-A Saudi delegation will visit Lebanon soon and discuss removing export barriers

-Lebanon has shown efficiency in curbing drug smuggling to Saudi Arabia


Brotherly and sisterly Arab cooperation is always preferred and hailed but we must see concrete changes on the ground. If this occurs, Lebanon will have no better regional partner to help it economically, politically etc. as well as hosts its people and give them opportunities to excel. Lebanon and Lebanese already know this and have known it for 50 + years. Certainly 2/3 of the population (Arab Sunni Muslims and Christian Lebanese). Shia Arab Lebanese (many of whom, in particular most of their elites, proudly claim ancestral ties to KSA) also know/realize this outside of a tiny brainwashed (Wilayat al-Faqih drones) minority.

Arab leaders have to step up and help solve internal Arab affairs rather than giving a free hand/enabling hostile foreign actors to meddle negatively.
 
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According to Yedioth Ahronoth:

Israel is approaching the execution of a limited attack against Hezbollah in Lebanon, involving airstrikes targeting weapons manufacturing facilities, particularly in the Bekaa Valley and Beirut regions.

The argument is that the Party is manufacturing rockets in Beirut.

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Lebanon's Prime Minister tweets now:

Thank you, all thanks to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and its leadership that is always keen on Lebanon's stability and prosperity, for its kind initiative today towards it by announcing readiness to take imminent steps to enhance trade relations between our two countries and to remove obstacles to Lebanese exports.

We also highly appreciate the Kingdom's recognition of the efforts of the President of the Republic and the Lebanese government in preventing the use of Lebanon to undermine the security of its Arab brothers, and combating drug smuggling.

And Lebanon remains the loyal and faithful brother to its Arab brothers who have never hesitated to show all love and support for it.

The tweet of the Lebanese prime minister Nawaf Salam in question:

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Urgent:

( Important developments between Saudi Arabia and Lebanon)

A high-ranking Saudi official told Reuters:

-We will take imminent steps to strengthen trade relations with Lebanon

-A Saudi delegation will visit Lebanon soon and discuss removing export barriers

-Lebanon has shown efficiency in curbing drug smuggling to Saudi Arabia


Brotherly and sisterly Arab cooperation is always preferred and hailed but we must see concrete changes on the ground. If this occurs, Lebanon will have no better regional partner to help it economically, politically etc. as well as hosts its people and give them opportunities to excel. Lebanon and Lebanese already know this and have known it for 50 + years. Certainly 2/3 of the population (Arab Sunni Muslims and Christian Lebanese). Shia Arab Lebanese (many of whom, in particular most of their elites, proudly claim ancestral ties to KSA) also know/realize this outside of a tiny brainwashed (Wilayat al-Faqih drones) minority.

Arab leaders have to step up and help solve internal Arab affairs rather than giving a free hand/enabling hostile foreign actors to meddle negatively.

A powerful (relative to Lebanon's place in the region) Lebanese army will be seen as more determinatal to Israeli interests than Hezbollah will. Because Israel would have to dedicate more resources to be able to violate Lebanon's sovereignty. Same with a Syrian army. Which is why imo the US won't withdraw from eastern Syria.

What prevents a powerful Lebanese army from taking shape is unfortunately our leaders + the USA which essentially develop the Lebanese forces to be glorified security forces without a military layer to them. USA should not be allowed to dictate what Lebanese army should or shouldn't be. Lebanese army needs to asses what it's security needs and come up with a plan to develop their armed forces. If that means better salaries + manpower , aerial defensive systems, tanks, artillery, Air Force if possible, etc.... start defensive but then start pushing boundaries because we cannot continue to be handicapped security wise because Israel views it as a threat

Israel would rather have Hezbollah than a traditional Lebanese army taking form. They know what to expect from Hezbollah. Hezbollah is predictable. They just want to remain in this business operandi in Lebanon using cover of resistance. They want an area for their base, be able to dominate political opponents in Lebanon, and have their businesses operating to make money. Israel knows that and prefers that to a traditional Lebanese army that will advance interests of entire nation.

I'm perplexed why Arab states don't utilize their resources. UAE is able to do it in Sudan. I believe Egypt is supporting a side in Libya. This tells me these supply lines/logistics are there? Or is US overseeing them ?

Arab priority should be stabilization of Israel/Palestine conflict and developing Lebanese + Syrian armed forces. Make them defensive militaries for now and manipulate US/West into security arrangements to fend Israel off. Israel may still attack defensive weapons as usual trying to preserve a massive edge it has, but it's going to attack either way so it doesn't hurt to at least try.
 
@_Arabia_

It actually won't hurt to make Jordan/Lebanon/Syria effective defensive militaries. If they can make the cost of a Israeli ground invasion supremely high, then they can do without offensive weapons for the time being due to the nature of the US-Israeli dominance.

The goal would be to contain Israel. Protect Turkey - Egypt - Saudi Arabia - Iran. These four main powers need to develop offensive capabilities. Lebanon/Syria will serve as observers learning what they can about Israeli army. Relay that to powerful Muslim nations.

Those powerful Muslim nations would need to prepare means to rapidly deploy offensive weapons systems or even just be able to lay down all the logistics needed to come in support of these nations bordering Israel.

Those nations should also participate in military research programs.

Imo that would help contain Israel. That will give time for Muslim nations to reduce the military/economic/scientific gap. And help secure their future.

This is kind of how Egypt viewed Gaza. I believe Israeli's deserved everything and the operation was justified but it exceeded Hamas's/Gaza's strategic weight. Which is what Egypt didn't want. Before that Gaza matter was more to Egypt's strategic favor. Hamas was probably very frustrated with status quo which I understand but in future they have to recognize limits of their strategic weight. They're a part of the puzzle if you will and have to play their role correctly for the whole effort to not collapse.

One unintended consequence however is Arabs took over Western Syria. If they really want to restore Arab control they will help have to use all available means to restore entire landmass of Syria + prop up Lebanese army to take Lebanon from Iran.

That's partially why Israel won't actually try to topple Hezbollah or take it farther. It doesn't want to do Arabs work for them. And doesn't want to help Arabs meet their strategic objectives.

Arabs have to increase leverage to take back all of Syria. If US says no we aren't withdrawing from East Syria, if Arab Sunnis became dominant hand in Lebanon, then the US at that point realizes it may have made a mistake. Suddenly Syrians have more leverage at negotiating table.

Of course this is all risky business that threatens to potentially ignite ethnic/sectarian tensions which I don't want but if we are being realistic if Arabs want to dominate the region they need Syria (all of Syria) + Lebanon back under their fold.
 
A powerful (relative to Lebanon's place in the region) Lebanese army will be seen as more determinatal to Israeli interests than Hezbollah will. Because Israel would have to dedicate more resources to be able to violate Lebanon's sovereignty. Same with a Syrian army. Which is why imo the US won't withdraw from eastern Syria.

What prevents a powerful Lebanese army from taking shape is unfortunately our leaders + the USA which essentially develop the Lebanese forces to be glorified security forces without a military layer to them. USA should not be allowed to dictate what Lebanese army should or shouldn't be. Lebanese army needs to asses what it's security needs and come up with a plan to develop their armed forces. If that means better salaries + manpower , aerial defensive systems, tanks, artillery, Air Force if possible, etc.... start defensive but then start pushing boundaries because we cannot continue to be handicapped security wise because Israel views it as a threat

Israel would rather have Hezbollah than a traditional Lebanese army taking form. They know what to expect from Hezbollah. Hezbollah is predictable. They just want to remain in this business operandi in Lebanon using cover of resistance. They want an area for their base, be able to dominate political opponents in Lebanon, and have their businesses operating to make money. Israel knows that and prefers that to a traditional Lebanese army that will advance interests of entire nation.

I'm perplexed why Arab states don't utilize their resources. UAE is able to do it in Sudan. I believe Egypt is supporting a side in Libya. This tells me these supply lines/logistics are there? Or is US overseeing them ?

Arab priority should be stabilization of Israel/Palestine conflict and developing Lebanese + Syrian armed forces. Make them defensive militaries for now and manipulate US/West into security arrangements to fend Israel off. Israel may still attack defensive weapons as usual trying to preserve a massive edge it has, but it's going to attack either way so it doesn't hurt to at least try.
I believe the lack of harsh action towards Israeli regional crimes is the current dependence economically, militarily (like most of the world outside of China - even Russia is struggling hugely despite full support from China, North Korea, India etc.) on the US (mostly) and West.

What worked back in the 1970's (Arab oil embargo) will not work today because the US itself is the largest oil producer in the world (produces almost twice as much oil daily as KSA). Nor any lack of gas.

So Arab leaders, regardless of ideology, governmental form have the exact same challenges in this regard, some more, some less.

Also have in mind that the wealthy/stable/developing/Arab countries not in conflict/civil war, are focusing on (rightly so) on economic, scientific, military, infrastructure, overall domestic development, which is way they cannot afford an all-out conflict with the West.
For any nation or people to develop you need peace and stability, something, unfortunately, that large parts of the Arab world have not had the luxury to enjoy in the past many decades.

All of this is tied together.

Another huge weakness is lack of trust/genuine cooperation between Arab leaderships/countries, outside of few examples, because based on history, leaders are fearful of being overthrown by their own or conspired against. That and powerful outside forces not wanting to see this.

The solution is simple, Arab unity (economic, political and military - regardless of overall ideology - not out of some romanticized notions - because in terms of state level/geopolitics religion, ancestry, kinship, language, race etc. matters little or at least not what it once did everywhere in the world), not out of "blind love or unity" but because it is what best serves the larger Arab world.

Most importantly it is what the vast, vast majority of all Arabs would like to see in every Arab country. Every single opinion poll confirms this. This is repeated by Arab Islamists (all Islamist movements in the Arab world in the past few centuries - more modern era -emphasized Arab unity and had an Arab "nationalistic/patriotic/unifying" element).

All this does not mean that we should or could not cooperate or have good relations with non-Arabs in the region, whether Kurds, Iranians (regardless of their individual ethnic groups), Turks (regardless of their individual ethnic groups) or even Jews/Israelis (once peace/end of conflict/people pay for their crimes), West, East etc.

Point is that Arabs have to take full ownership (will occur eventually) of the region (Arab world) and its internal politics and hostile foreign interference/meddling, regardless by whom, should not be accepted.

As for Hezbollah specifically, as I have written many times, and I believe this opinion is shared by most Saudi Arabians and Sunni Arabs overall, I have nothing against the average Hezbollah foot soldier. The problem is some of their leadership which is overly tied to the Iranian regime and have an agenda that is not healthy/good for Lebanon as a state and the overall Arab region.

Anyway, let us also be honest here, Arab states/movements being represented by militias/non-state actors (not recognized internationally) is a recipe for bad PR. It is the perfect ammunition for Zionists and Israel to label entire countries/communities as terrorists.

Much harder to do such kind of dehumanizing/propaganda against actual national armies. Also much harder for the international community to impose sanctions on national armies etc.

A lot need to change for the better but I am seeing clever leadership from young leaders like MbS and Tamim Al-Thani on some fronts to reach out to Shia Arab religious figures/communities/movements.

KSA for instance has very good ties (or at least cordial) with likes of Muqtada al-Sadr (who is no angle or his movement but who is in the region?), El-Husseini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_Ali_El_Husseini (Lebanon)

and local Shia community leaders in the GCC and Zaydi religious leaders in Northern Yemen that are not from the Houthi tribe.

For instance KSA is hosting the North Yemeni Zaydi royal family (Imams) that was toppled in 1962.


I personally have clear and obvious disagreements with the Shia Twelver doctrine and their beliefs (however I accept them as fellow Muslims - most Sunnis, regardless of sect, and Salafi school of thoughts do as well - in particular non-scholars and ordinary people) but that should not be reason enough for any meaningful hostility or for countries to have never ending civil wars/conflicts/instability.

Even more so when practically every major Muslim sect originates in the Arab world (Arabia/modern-day KSA) and in the case of KSA we have every religious sect found locally from Hanballs, Shafi'is, Malikis, Hanafis, Twelvers, Zaydis, Ismailis. Within those sects you have various branches. Add Sufis and Salafis etc. I consider them all as local Arab/Arabian sects/political/social movements/different interpretations.

Only main Muslim sect not found within KSA is Ibadism, which is found next door in Oman though.

I am not talking about new outright false sects like the Ahmadi's, the 46 year old Iranian Wilayat-al-Faqih/Khomeinism sect or other strange non-Arab (in origin) sects etc.
 
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@Falcon29

Honestly, I am not overly obsessed about the current day Arab nationalities and identities. For all I care KSA as a separate country can disappear tomorrow or merge with other Arab states to create a new nation, nationality etc.

Our millennia old Arab culture (more distantly various Semitic and non-Semitic cultures native to the Arab world) are already the oldest recorded cultures/civilizations on the planet. We are not reduced to nation states (as in identity) like most people in the world are.

Today with modern-day DNA tests, history being available for every literate person, people can realize how stupid it is to limit yourself and your identity just to your nationality in particular in the Arab world where you share kinship with practically every Arab nationality next to you.

Sure, local/regional Arab identities have existed for millennia/very long, but it was not like a Palestinian from Al-Quds or a Syrian next door in Damascus, Daraa etc. were seen as foreign people.

The idea is not to remove regional Arab identities, dialects or anything like that. The point here is that Arabs (as a collective - not only leaders) should look a bit past their own noses and notice/realize that historically, and even today (whether we want it or not) our countries and their current and future faiths, are shared and thus we need to cooperate rather than be divided. Cooperation is always preferable in almost every field in life.

Same even religiously. Where would Islam be if its earliest followers did not look at everything in a collective/unity manner?

Tackling Israel will be a long-term project, that requires what you have written and many other things.

It requires the Arab world to develop further economically, militarily, scientifically etc.

Education alone is the most important thing because that is the recipe for solving many challenges and problems and Palestinian people, in particular diaspora, knows this very well and have done very well in this regard as well.

Much importantly it also requires Arabs/Muslims/people that support a Palestinian statehood and Israel crimes in the region to be reigned in, to remove the Jewish-American influence in the US.

Because Israeli behavior would not be possible without US support.

Overall we can conclude based on history (which likes to repeat itself) and current day Israeli action, that they wish to see weak, divided, fragmented etc. Arab states and no leadership/Arab country should feel safe in this regard.

BTW, what I wrote about Arabs, Arab world etc. goes for the entire Muslim world because the exact same problems can be found, but I am focusing on Arabs here mostly because we are talking about conflicts in the Arab world.

What I have written is not anything groundbreaking etc. (maybe for people not aware of their own history) or opinions that are rare, but another thing is for leaders to adopt this viewpoint which goes against the very notion on many fronts. Because each separate Arab state, in order to be able to survive long-term, needs to create its own distinctive identity, history etc. Otherwise what is the point?

So I am not talking about something not realistic today or in the nearby future (1 single federal Arab state - although that would be the best thing on paper if implemented correctly) but most of the problems could be solved by just developing or turning the Arab League into a EU like movement or how the US does things on a state/federal level.

That or just let every single Arab state develop into a certain level on all fronts and just let nature do the rest.

But before any of this can even be done, we need peace and a long period of stability to develop. Because no region in the world that is engulfed in constant wars/civil wars/conflict/state fragmentation/negative outside interference, is going to develop as it should/could.
 
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I believe the lack of harsh action towards Israeli regional crimes is the current dependence economically, militarily (like most of the world outside of China - even Russia is struggling hugely despite full support from China, North Korea, India etc.) on the US (mostly) and West.

What worked back in the 1970's (Arab oil embargo) will not work today because the US itself is the largest oil producer in the world (produces almost twice as much oil daily as KSA). Nor any lack of gas.

So Arab leaders, regardless of ideology, governmental form have the exact same challenges in this regard, some more, some less.

Also have in mind that the wealthy/stable/developing/Arab countries not in conflict/civil war, are focusing on (rightly so) on economic, scientific, military, infrastructure, overall domestic development, which is way they cannot afford an all-out conflict with the West.
For any nation or people to develop you need peace and stability, something, unfortunately, that large parts of the Arab world have not had the luxury to enjoy in the past many decades.

All of this is tied together.

Another huge weakness is lack of trust/genuine cooperation between Arab leaderships/countries, outside of few examples, because based on history, leaders are fearful of being overthrown by their own or conspired against. That and powerful outside forces not wanting to see this.

The solution is simple, Arab unity (economic, political and military - regardless of overall ideology - not out of some romanticized notions - because in terms of state level/geopolitics religion, ancestry, kinship, language, race etc. matters little or at least not what it once did everywhere in the world), not out of "blind love or unity" but because it is what best serves the larger Arab world.

Most importantly it is what the vast, vast majority of all Arabs would like to see in every Arab country. Every single opinion poll confirms this. This is repeated by Arab Islamists (all Islamist movements in the Arab world in the past few centuries - more modern era -emphasized Arab unity and had an Arab "nationalistic/patriotic/unifying" element).

All this does not mean that we should or could not cooperate or have good relations with non-Arabs in the region, whether Kurds, Iranians (regardless of their individual ethnic groups), Turks (regardless of their individual ethnic groups) or even Jews/Israelis (once peace/end of conflict/people pay for their crimes), West, East etc.

Point is that Arabs have to take full ownership (will occur eventually) of the region (Arab world) and its internal politics and hostile foreign interference/meddling, regardless by whom, should not be accepted.

As for Hezbollah specifically, as I have written many times, and I believe this opinion is shared by most Saudi Arabians and Sunni Arabs overall, I have nothing against the average Hezbollah foot soldier. The problem is some of their leadership which is overly tied to the Iranian regime and have an agenda that is not healthy/good for Lebanon as a state and the overall Arab region.

Anyway, let us also be honest here, Arab states/movements being represented by militias/non-state actors (not recognized internationally) is a recipe for bad PR. It is the perfect ammunition for Zionists and Israel to label entire countries/communities as terrorists.

Much harder to do such kind of dehumanizing/propaganda against actual national armies. Also much harder for the international community to impose sanctions on national armies etc.

A lot need to change for the better but I am seeing clever leadership from young leaders like MbS and Tamim Al-Thani on some fronts to reach out to Shia Arab religious figures/communities/movements.

KSA for instance has very good ties (or at least cordial) with likes of Muqtada al-Sadr (who is no angle or his movement but who is in the region?), El-Husseini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_Ali_El_Husseini (Lebanon)

and local Shia community leaders in the GCC and Zaydi religious leaders in Northern Yemen that are not from the Houthi tribe.

For instance KSA is hosting the North Yemeni Zaydi royal family (Imams) that was toppled in 1967.


I personally have clear and obvious disagreements with the Shia Twelver doctrine and their beliefs (however I accept them as fellow Muslims - most Sunnis, regardless of sect, and Salafi school of thoughts do as well - in particular non-scholars and ordinary people) but that should not be reason enough for any meaningful hostility or for countries to have never ending civil wars/conflicts/instability.
Yes I agree we have to move to nation state model and build our nations rather than the US and others coming into region to do the 'nation-building'. Outside of Palestine of course since we don't have a state and cannot form a national military for obvious reasons. Palestine will be a unique case. The rest need to be developed. It's heart warming to see Syrians up to the task and wasting no time. Wish we can see that kind of urgency with Lebanon.

Hezbollah may in the future have to integrate into Lebanese army. Iran does not really gain much from Hezbollah anymore. It held out on its own during the Israeli war waged on Iran. As long as Lebanese Shia aren't threatened, which imo will never happen anymore.

It looks to me, could be wrong, the region is beginning to transcend sectarianism. It is not getting hits with the younger crowd anymore. It has exhausted people. There's only a small segment remaining that are narcassists that live for fitnah that try to instigate such civil strife. And those will continue to be isolated.

It's good what MBS and Qatari leader are doing. It's good to see also state of peace between Houthi's and KSA. Both have matured and aren't afraid of cooperation/dialogue anymore. I hope that coexistence continues to be promoted.

Iran will take a different role in coming years. You can tell its not concerned with Syria anymore. Iraq is important to it because at end of day Iranians like other people are trying to survive. They have memories of Iraq war and don't want Iraq posing immediate threat anymore.

If Iran can get sanctions eased and diversify its economy in the future, it will be less keen to prop up militias in the region.

That's why I say the US and Israel intentionally aggravate these existing rivalries or economic/political struggles.

Muslim nations have to continue on path of education/science + development to reduce dependence on them and also limit their entry points into the region (scientific, economic or whatever). The more we can depend on our talent pool the better
 
@Falcon29

Honestly, I am not overly obsessed about the current day Arab nationalities and identities. For all I care KSA as a separate country can disappear tomorrow or merge with other Arab states to create a new nation, nationality etc.

Our millennia old Arab culture (more distantly various Semitic and non-Semitic cultures native to the Arab world) are already the oldest recorded cultures/civilizations on the planet. We are not reduced to nation states (as in identity) like most people in the world are.

Today with modern-day DNA tests, history being available for every literate person, people can realize how stupid it is to limit yourself and your identity just to your nationality in particular in the Arab world where you share kinship with practically every Arab nationality next to you.

Sure, local/regional Arab identities have existed for millennia/very long, but it was not like a Palestinian from Al-Quds or a Syrian next door in Damascus, Daraa etc. were seen as foreign people.

The idea is not to remove regional Arab identities, dialects or anything like that. The point here is that Arabs (as a collective - not only leaders) should look a bit past their own noses and notice/realize that historically, and even today (whether we want it or not) our countries and their current and future faiths, are shared and thus we need to cooperate rather than be divided. Cooperation is always preferable in almost every field in life.

Same even religiously. Where would Islam be if its earliest followers did not look at everything in a collective/unity manner?

Tackling Israel will be a long-term project, that requires what you have written and many other things.

It requires the Arab world to develop further economically, militarily, scientifically etc.

Education alone is the most important thing because that is the recipe for solving many challenges and problems and Palestinian people, in particular diaspora, knows this very well and have done very well in this regard as well.

Much importantly it also requires Arabs/Muslims/people that support a Palestinian statehood and Israel crimes in the region to be reigned in, to remove the Jewish-American influence in the US.

Because Israeli behavior would not be possible without US support.

Overall we can conclude based on history (which likes to repeat itself) and current day Israeli action, that they wish to see weak, divided, fragmented etc. Arab states and no leadership/Arab country should feel safe in this regard.

BTW, what I wrote about Arabs, Arab world etc. goes for the entire Muslim world because the exact same problems can be found, but I am focusing on Arabs here mostly because we are talking about conflicts in the Arab world.

What I have written is not anything groundbreaking etc. (maybe for people not aware of their own history) or opinions that are rare, but another thing is for leaders to adopt this viewpoint which goes against the very notion on many fronts. Because each separate Arab state, in order to be able to survive long-term, needs to create its own distinctive identity, history etc. Otherwise what is the point?

So I am not talking about something not realistic today or in the nearby future (1 single federal Arab state - although that would be the best thing on paper if implemented correctly) but most of the problems could be solved by just developing or turning the Arab League into a EU like movement or how the US does things on a state/federal level.

That or just let every single Arab state develop into a certain level on all fronts and just let nature do the rest.

But before any of this can even be done, we need peace and a long period of stability to develop. Because no region in the world that is engulfed in constant wars/civil wars/conflict/state fragmentation/negative outside interference, is going to develop as it should/could.
Yeah we have so much in common. Any Arab nation I enter into I feel at home. My DNA from one side is heavily Arabian Peninsula and through the other parent I think we are true Caanites/Sea people as I have strong dna roots to the Palestine coast area + about 10% Cypriot DNA. I then have about 1/3 northern Palestine/southern Lebanon + Levant.

Not sure what your DNA is like but you'd probably have some Levant in you and definitely Arabian Peninsula.

The thing about Arabs redrawing lines is it would require either some referendum and real will amongst people or being in a situation where we kind of have to be forced into it. Right now the nation state model will prevail.

There used to be :
المغرب
الجزيرة العربية
الشام
مصر

4 regions that would be ideal. We don't give enough credit to our ancestors they were effective at empire building and had no shortage of capable and confident leaders.

We fell behind in terms of knowledge and West used power of knowledge against us. Which may be the Qadr of Allah maybe Allah wants to help us and push us to value knowledge and adapt .

I came across an interesting web page which covers higher education in Arab world. Not sure who made this (maybe Jordanian students ?) but thought I would share with you. It gives us updates on state of higher education in Arab world and scientific research :


We need more stuff like that and need to have our students value that imo
 
Israel/GCC planning another attack on Lebanon prior to legislative elections in April 2026. However the attack is unlikely to achieve much results as there isnt any fresh target bank in Lebanon.

 
Yeah we have so much in common. Any Arab nation I enter into I feel at home. My DNA from one side is heavily Arabian Peninsula and through the other parent I think we are true Caanites/Sea people as I have strong dna roots to the Palestine coast area + about 10% Cypriot DNA. I then have about 1/3 northern Palestine/southern Lebanon + Levant.

Not sure what your DNA is like but you'd probably have some Levant in you and definitely Arabian Peninsula.

The thing about Arabs redrawing lines is it would require either some referendum and real will amongst people or being in a situation where we kind of have to be forced into it. Right now the nation state model will prevail.

There used to be :
المغرب
الجزيرة العربية
الشام
مصر

4 regions that would be ideal. We don't give enough credit to our ancestors they were effective at empire building and had no shortage of capable and confident leaders.

We fell behind in terms of knowledge and West used power of knowledge against us. Which may be the Qadr of Allah maybe Allah wants to help us and push us to value knowledge and adapt .

I came across an interesting web page which covers higher education in Arab world. Not sure who made this (maybe Jordanian students ?) but thought I would share with you. It gives us updates on state of higher education in Arab world and scientific research :


We need more stuff like that and need to have our students value that imo
I think this is an opinion shared by most educated Arabs to varying degrees. Even those that are against regime x or y (Arab Twitter universe is largely toxic and not reflective of reality at all plus full of bots - you would become mentally ill if you take everything what is written seriously or as something real/representative - like much of the internet as well), are aware of the historical and ground realities tied to language, geography, ancestry, religion, culture etc.

I have not taken any DNA tests yet but I am pretty sure that I will cluster with Levant, Arabian Peninsula, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq and possibly North Africa and larger Middle East (Anatolia, Caucasus etc.). At least I have seen most people from Arabia do that.

BTW Arabians and Levantine people + Egypt and Iraq are the closest people to each other genetically. All modern-day DNA tests confirm this.
As far as those DNA firms that show you percentages divided by region, I would be a bit hesitant with that because in many cases you cannot tell what is what DNA wise due to a too little number of tested people. I don't think that there is any genetic difference (large anyway) between Northern KSA people and next door Southern Iraq or Jordan for example.

Also seen many Arabians have "Yemeni Jewish DNA" on those DNA tests but never really clear what "Jewish" exactly means here. For sure it has nothing to do with European/American Jews.

Outside of Arab/DNA of people of the Arab world, we cluster with other regional people (surprise) and larger (racially) with Southern Europeans (Caucasians basically), Caucasus people and certain African populations (Horn of Africa) (Afro-Arabs).

Most importantly our overall DNA is all native to the Arab world and we are heirs to the regions civilizations and cultures.

I think one of the main components if not the main one in the Arab world is Natufian.

First Neolithic culture in the world:


Native to Southern Levant and it extended into northern KSA (Hejaz) as well next door.

Anatolian/Iranian farmers (which are often used in DNA tests) are just Natufian off-spring largely with the only additional being Central Asian Steppe DNA (Yamnaya) which most Arabs have anyway.

Anyway we need to be cautious with those DNA tests as we are the very beginning of this and we don't need any DNA tests to realize that we have a kinship (which DNA has long ago confirmed). All you need to do is look at history, geography, appearance and practically everything.

Also DNA is a bit strange/odd because siblings can have very different percentages of ancestry which many "DNA reveal" videos on Youtube confirm and how DNA behaves. Which is also seen in appearance and how greatly it can differ between siblings and also the other way around (great similarities).

Yes, we have largely fallen extremely behind (compared to most of recorded history where it was the other way around for obvious reasons) in the past many centuries but I see reason for hope for the future. It will be difficult and not an easy fix but I am very hopeful because the new generation is getting more and more educated.

A lot also depends on AI and its future role.

I am on my phone, so my messages are badly composed and probably difficult to read but overall we agree with the main topics which is something that I feel most Arabs do at the end of the day despite disagreements.

I know this from in person discussions with Arab Shias. We practically always agreed with most main topics outside certain theological differences, which I always empathized was not that important. Same with Atheists/agnostics.

Another thing, we as people/leaderships need to be better at accepting different opinions/minority groups in order not to give them fuel to work against the majority. If they are satisfied and their rights are given/respected, despite disagreements, it is always a good sign of a functioning society.

I see this in KSA more and more. People are realizing that not everyone will share their opinion and that we need to live in peace/cooperate at the end of the day regardless of our disagreements. The older generation was much less flexible.

Israel/GCC planning another attack on Lebanon prior to legislative elections in April 2026. However the attack is unlikely to achieve much results as there isnt any fresh target bank in Lebanon.

Why is this Arab obsessed Iranian regime bot talking about the GCC as if 1 state and making up nonsense? When has the GCC ever attacked Lebanon or Hezbollah? Talk about acting like a clown. You have no clue about Lebanon or events in the Arab world, I doubt that you can even count to 10 in Arabic, so why are you embarrassing yourself continuously?

Go focus on affairs that impact you and have something to do with your people. I don't think that you care for Arabs anyway or our well-being.

You are no different from Zionists, the same obsession/hostility aimed at 1 group of Arabs. The difference is that they (Zionists) don't care about any group of Arabs or Muslims or non-Jews of the region.
 
Israel/GCC planning another attack on Lebanon prior to legislative elections in April 2026. However the attack is unlikely to achieve much results as there isnt any fresh target bank in Lebanon.

GCC has no interest in Lebanon being attacked. In long term Hezbollah/Lebanese Shia will integrate into Lebanese state and army. Lots of them already are very pro-state institution and involved in state functions.
 

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