Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

[Persian Gulf]

"they will respect whatever the state agrees"

When did Hezbollah turn in to a "state respecter"?

Hezbollah is part of the state and often defers to the state in such matters, but not in all matters. For example, when Lebanon was negotiating with Israel about demarcation of maritime borders / offshore gas reserves, Hezbollah's position was that it would allow the state to lead these negotiations but if they did not achieve a deal by a certain date it would intervene directly. The negotiations were successful and Hezbollah accepted what the state negotiated, just like now.

But if the state is unable to negotiate (peace, in this case), Hezbollah will have legitimacy to act again. Hezbollah is not a majority in Lebanon and doesn't control the government, and must carefully consider how it acts as a result. Dragging Lebanon to war is not something other Lebanese people are happy about.

Does Hezbollah not have any obligation to the Shia citizenry of South Lebanon who can't go back to their homes? They are afterall the biggest support Bloc for Hezbollah, they picked Hezbollah over even Amal.

Primarily obligation to Lebanese citizens (unless you think certain sects are not Lebanese?) is by the state. Hezbollah is generously funding reconstruction of all destroyed homes and paying displaced civilians so they can afford to rent temporary accommodation.

You can ask their supporters if they disapprove of Hezbollah's actions, but I don't see this. I see thousands of Lebanese civilians returning to their homes in the south waving their Hezbollah flags high and proud, and forcing the Nazi IDF to withdraw in places. They are not calling for Hezbollah to resume attacks.

If the Israelis start with the offensive on Saturday in Gaza, Hezbollah should look to restart the operations to take by South Lebanon and provide support to Gaza, as they claim to be doing.

Lebanese state and Lebanese people will not support this. Nasrallah promised that and paid with his life once Israel realised he meant it and they had to get rid of him. Hezbollah operates within strong political constraints, especially now.

They "claimed" to support Gaza and they did, and paid for that support with 5000 lives and tens of thousand injured. Sectarian trolls will try to undermine this massive sacrifice because they are only interested in insulting Hezbollah and the Resistance.

Where is True Promise 3?

Not relevant to this thread. You are welcome to ask this question (again, and again... definitely not trolling like everyone else who likes to ask this repeatedly) in the relevant thread.

 

[Aziqbal]

Before Israel the region was so peaceful

you could travel from Beirut to Jerusalem and then to Damascus

look at the region now, since 1948 this Crusader project which is disguised as Zionism is basically a colonial crusader project and they blame the Palestinians

they won't call it a Crusade because they know Crusade failed and actually give rise to islamic heroes like Saladin

so Western nations will do everything and anything to save and support Israel its their pet project

 

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[Distant_Observer]

At the minimum lebanon should have invested in air defence. Looks like its wide open.

 

[Shags101]

At the minimum lebanon should have invested in air defence. Looks like its wide open.

It would’ve required money and countries willing to selling said systems neither which Lebanon has Hezbollah had said systems but Israel knew where they were the whole time

 

[Distant_Observer]

It would’ve required money and countries willing to selling said systems neither which Lebanon has Hezbollah had said systems but Israel knew where they were the whole time

They were too busy having roof top parties and enjoying life. Should have eaten a bit of grass and bought hardware from Russia. They should have done this 40 years ago.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

"they will respect whatever the state agrees"

When did Hezbollah turn in to a "state respecter"?

There are many things the state would ask of Hezbollah, that Hezbollah would never agree to, so why act as if Hezbollah suddenly cares what the state thinks?

Does Hezbollah not have any obligation to the Shia citizenry of South Lebanon who can't go back to their homes? They are afterall the biggest support Bloc for Hezbollah, they picked Hezbollah over even Amal.

If the Israelis start with the offensive on Saturday in Gaza, Hezbollah should look to restart the operations to take by South Lebanon and provide support to Gaza, as they claim to be doing. Where is True Promise 3? It seems to me to be a case of Hezbollah saying they support Gaza, but decided to disengage from the support, and then When Hezbollah needed help, Iran decided to disengage for its own interests.

Hezbollah was put under pressure by Lebanese Sunnis and part of the Christians and accused of being Iranian "militia" and that weapons should only be in hands of the national army.

Now it's time for the Lebanese army and their backers show that invasion of Lebanon/occupation by foreign forces will be met by the army.

Lebanese army has the chance to show that they are responsible for the defence of Lebanon and there's no need for Hezbollah.

Sunni Arabs like Jordan, Saudi, Bahrain, Emirates and Sunni Turks could possibly assist Lebanese army by weapons and intelligence to fight the Israeli invasion. Is this a possible scenario?

 

[hyperman]

Hezbollah was put under pressure by Lebanese Sunnis and part omuf the Christians and accused of being Iranian "militia" and that weapons should only be in hands of the national army.

Now it's time for the Lebanese army and their backers show that invasion of Lebanon/occupation by foreign forces will be met by the army.

Lebanese army has the chance to show that they are responsible for the defence of Lebanon and there's no need for Hezbollah.

Sunni Arabs like Jordan, Saudi, Bahrain, Emirates and Sunni Turks could possibly assist Lebanese army by weapons and intelligence to fight the Israeli invasion. Is this a possible scenario?

Lebanese Sunnis have no power. And are concentrated around Tripoli in the North.

The Lebanese Army is largely a Maronite force, all its high level commanders are Maronies and its commanding officer is always a Maronite by tradition.

The Areas occupied by Israel are Shia area, this is Hezbollah's responsibly. b/c #1 the people displaced are Shias who support Hezbollah in South Lebanon, and #2 Hezbollah is the self appointed bulwark against Israel.

this is on Hezbollah to settle the affairs of its Shia constituency.

 

[Persian Gulf]

At the minimum lebanon should have invested in air defence. Looks like its wide open.

Lebanon is barely allowed to have a military by the USA

 

[Persian Gulf]

The Areas occupied by Israel are Shia area

you project your own severe sectarianism on the Lebanese people. there is no such thing as "Shia area". there is only Lebanese territory.

 

[hyperman]

you project your own severe sectarianism on the Lebanese people. there is no such thing as "Shia area". there is only Lebanese territory.

I'm not projecting anything, I'm pointing out the realities of Lebanon and Lebanese politics. Its a confessional system by design(one that largely favors Maronites, its what the civil war was all about). Lebanon isn't really even a real country but a French Social engineering project, The French wanted to carve out a part of Syria for a Christian State, the only reason the other groups other than Christians exists is b/c the State wasn't viable with a minimum of those areas, which had water and other resources, so they were included.

If you look at the Lebanese Shia(This has likely changed with the new geopolitical realities) and Sunni polls historically they didn't support a partitioning of Syria to create Lebanon, hitorically both Sunnis and Shia have supported Lebanon being put back into Syria. Its one of the reasons as to why Hezbollah supported the Syrian "occupation" of Lebanon, under Hafez Assad.

The confessional divisions have been exploited by Israel, if you remember Israel backed a Phalangist Maronite state that was a breakaway inside Lebanon, until it was dissolved. Those elements are still present inside even thought that breakaway Phalangist state is dissolved. You can tell them, when you go on the internet and go into maronite forums(these are the so called self professed "pheonecians", who reject being labeled as Arabs even) and parts where you will see that they outright support the zionists and think of them as allies in their own political aspirations and as an asset to counterweight other factions in Lebanon. I'n not saying all obviously, there are plenty of Pan Arabist Lebanese christians(mostly Orthodox) even amongst the maronites.

Lebanon is not a "united country" in the least bit, even on the Sunni Side, you will see this, where they back the Syrian revolution and support the action of the new Syrian govt that it was taking recently on the Lebanses border, when there were skirmishes with Hezbollah, and the Drug Dealer cartel.

 

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[Persian Gulf]

Lebanon is not a "united country" in the least bit

That is exactly why Hezbollah is so constrained domestically since it doesn't control the government or have a majority within Lebanon. The root cause is that the residents of the south feel neglected by the central government and had to form their own militias to resist Israeli occupation from 1978 when the state failed to do so. That's why they feel like they need Hezbollah and Hezbollah has legitimacy as an indigenous group formed to resist foreign occupation of the south.

 

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