Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[Zarvan]

The Imperative of Credible Nuclear Deterrence and Comprehensive Military Modernization for Pakistan

In an era of escalating geopolitical tensions, Pakistan’s national security hinges on maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent. Unlike nations that bluff about possessing nuclear capabilities, Pakistan must ensure its arsenal is real which it is, operational, and survivable. A pretend deterrent invites aggression, as adversaries may call the bluff, leading to catastrophic miscalculations. Pakistan’s nuclear triad land based missiles, air delivered warheads, and sea based options must be continuously modernized to guarantee second-strike capability, deterring any existential threats.

Beyond nuclear strength, Pakistan must prioritize a dominant Air Force and Navy. Air superiority is critical for deterring aggression and ensuring battlefield dominance, while a powerful Navy secures sea lanes and counters regional rivals. Recent conflicts, such as the Iran-Israel exchanges, underscore the importance of long-range precision strike capabilities. Pakistan must accelerate the development of ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles) and SLBMs (Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles) to extend its reach and reinforce deterrence. Cruise missiles, both land-attack and anti-ship, add another layer of strategic depth.

Finally, a multi-layered integrated air defense system is non-negotiable. Relying solely on nuclear deterrence without robust conventional defenses is risky. Advanced radar networks, surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and electronic warfare systems must shield critical infrastructure from aerial threats.

In conclusion, Pakistan’s security demands real nuclear deterrence, not illusions, backed by a strong Air Force, Navy, long-range missiles, and an impenetrable air defense shield. Half-measures or false posturing will only invite disaster—only credible, overwhelming strength ensures peace.

5-Point Summary​

1. Credible Nuclear Deterrence is Essential – A real, operational nuclear arsenal prevents aggression; pretending to have one is dangerous.
2. Strong Air Force & Naval Dominance – Air superiority and naval power are crucial for deterrence and securing strategic interests.
3. Long-Range Strike Capabilities (ICBMs, SLBMs, Cruise Missiles) – Pakistan must develop advanced ballistic and cruise missiles to counter regional threats.
4. Multi-Layered Air Defense System – Integrated air defenses (radars, SAMs, EW) are necessary to protect against aerial attacks.
5. No Room for Illusions – Only Real Power Ensures Security – Half-measures or false posturing invite aggression; Pakistan must invest in undeniable military strength.

 

[Path-Finder]

Hi,

the two have nothing in common---.

Security is a FRAME OF MIND---which pakistan lack---.

In pakistan military even the general level officer are clueless about the security issue.

It is a misnomer that security is a military issue---.

It actually is an internal issue---a policing issue---. Security should be provided by the police---a complimentary enforcement maybe enhanced by the rangers---.

security of the nation state!

 

[MastanKhan]

security of the nation state!

Hi,

State---internal security

 

[Yousafzai_M]

The Imperative of Credible Nuclear Deterrence and Comprehensive Military Modernization for Pakistan

In an era of escalating geopolitical tensions, Pakistan’s national security hinges on maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent. Unlike nations that bluff about possessing nuclear capabilities, Pakistan must ensure its arsenal is real which it is, operational, and survivable. A pretend deterrent invites aggression, as adversaries may call the bluff, leading to catastrophic miscalculations. Pakistan’s nuclear triad land based missiles, air delivered warheads, and sea based options must be continuously modernized to guarantee second-strike capability, deterring any existential threats.

Beyond nuclear strength, Pakistan must prioritize a dominant Air Force and Navy. Air superiority is critical for deterring aggression and ensuring battlefield dominance, while a powerful Navy secures sea lanes and counters regional rivals. Recent conflicts, such as the Iran-Israel exchanges, underscore the importance of long-range precision strike capabilities. Pakistan must accelerate the development of ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles) and SLBMs (Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles) to extend its reach and reinforce deterrence. Cruise missiles, both land-attack and anti-ship, add another layer of strategic depth.

Finally, a multi-layered integrated air defense system is non-negotiable. Relying solely on nuclear deterrence without robust conventional defenses is risky. Advanced radar networks, surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and electronic warfare systems must shield critical infrastructure from aerial threats.

In conclusion, Pakistan’s security demands real nuclear deterrence, not illusions, backed by a strong Air Force, Navy, long-range missiles, and an impenetrable air defense shield. Half-measures or false posturing will only invite disaster—only credible, overwhelming strength ensures peace.

5-Point Summary​

1. Credible Nuclear Deterrence is Essential – A real, operational nuclear arsenal prevents aggression; pretending to have one is dangerous.
2. Strong Air Force & Naval Dominance – Air superiority and naval power are crucial for deterrence and securing strategic interests.
3. Long-Range Strike Capabilities (ICBMs, SLBMs, Cruise Missiles) – Pakistan must develop advanced ballistic and cruise missiles to counter regional threats.
4. Multi-Layered Air Defense System – Integrated air defenses (radars, SAMs, EW) are necessary to protect against aerial attacks.
5. No Room for Illusions – Only Real Power Ensures Security – Half-measures or false posturing invite aggression; Pakistan must invest in undeniable military strength.

If there is anything super evident from Iran-Juice conflict, its that there is no such thing as impenetrable air defence shield

Enemy missiles will go through and your assets will be hit. Its a question of how much destruction you can sustain. Iran could do more than juice.

Second component is to have an intelligence service as robust as Mossad, so they could get some of the enemy missiles/aircrafts at their source, before they are launched at you.

 

[Olympus81]

What we saw in the Israel Iran war was how easy was it for Israelis to take out Iranian missile launchers in the absence of air defense.

One thing we can learn from this is a hard focus on turn around time from the moment a missile is ready to be loaded into the launcher until the missile is launched. Every minute counts.

It seemed Iranians were struggling in having their missiles out from their underground storage, loaded into the launchers and ready to be launched.

Packing a big punch matters, but it’s also important to have the proper chain to get the missile deployed as quickly as possible and launch it no time.

 

[Path-Finder]

Hi,

State---internal security

If your coffers are empty say Like Pakistans, because of a badly run state and poorly managed state. Economic output is poor and when the state needs money for defence, the funds are not present so other struggling sectors take a massive hit.

vs if you have surplus in your coffers and can manage the affairs. no matter what money is needed. its better to have a good economy vs a bad economy.

 

[ziaulislam]

Suicide drones dont protect your skies from attacks. We saw this with Iran.

It does expands the opponent airdefense and make them run for ceasefire even if they are diehard fundamentalist like you see Israelis are

 

[Distant_Observer]

Its time to close the border with Iran as a precaution and start air patrols.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Its time to close the border with Iran as a precaution and start air patrols.

what happend? why border closing all the sudden now?

 

[Starlord]

Biggest lesson to learn here is never Trust an Afghan/Indian. Both country's national screw Iran over, by passing Intelligence to Israel.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Lesson 1: Have an airforce

That'd be all

Have a meaningful Airforce, but also have the capacity to reciprocate destruction by other means. Iran shouldn't have given Israel no time to recover from the shock of destruction and should have continued the decimation of Israel. The use of more dud missiles to empty the Israeli missile batteries and then give them an absolute hammering and to make Auschwitz look like a holiday camp. Iran ( and all Muslim countries) needs to figure out a way to neutralise the IDF, perhaps runway cratering bombs and varying types of delayed fused warheads that scatter on runways and facilities to delaying air operations. Key thing for Pakistan is a manufacturing internal and external supply line of weapons for indefinite warfare. Alliances must develop more and more lethal weapons together to ensure that no country has an appetite for war.

 

[Dalit]

Post in thread 'Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025'

Jun 15, 2025

1. Hypersonic missiles and loads of decoys/drones. The development of modern missile systems in general. In order to penetrate layers of anti missile systems one must have a shit load of cheap drones/decoys. The final blow can be delivered through hypersonic/subsonic missiles.
2. Subs equipped with SLCM/SLBM capability. Even mobile TEL solutions can be taken out easily. Especially if the intel is good. Stealthy subs can reach the shores of the enemy undetected. Striking enemy targets at a closer range becomes possible.
3. Further solidification of the air force through induction of 5th gen...

• Dalit

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Read this post again folks. Pakistan needs to redouble efforts. With so much shit ongoing Pakistan needs to make every darn effort to achieve the objectives.

 

[Falcon26]

The biggest takeaway is the importance of good intelligence. The manner Israel has been able to wipe out 1st to 3rd layer of the Iranian leadership is quite unprecedented.

This contrasts disturbingly with Pakistan’s failure to eliminate any high level TTP officials in the ongoing operations in Afghanistan. If Pakistan is struggling against a non-state entity where internal strife is rife, imagine how difficult to impossible it will be for them to collect good intelligence against a peer force like India.

 

[Bratva]

The biggest takeaway is the importance of good intelligence. The manner Israel has been able to wipe out 1st to 3rd layer of the Iranian leadership is quite unprecedented.

This contrasts disturbingly with Pakistan’s failure to eliminate any high level TTP officials in the ongoing operations in Afghanistan. If Pakistan is struggling against a non-state entity where internal strife is rife, imagine how difficult to impossible it will be for them to collect good intelligence against a peer force like India.

If anything, Indian intelligence network in Pakistan is very effective. The assassinations carried out by RAW was on point. How they were able to track and assassinate the target of interests is interesting. What to say when same networks are turned to target state actors in time of war. If not direct assassinations, they can paint/pinpoint their locations which India can target with Brahmos if they want.

The BLA/Baloch groups are already using magnetic bombs to assassinate Pak army officers. Last year a Major returning from graveyard, a motorbike passed by him in traffic, attached a magnetic bomb to his side door and sped off. Bomb detonated within seconds martyring him.

 

[Oscar]

The biggest takeaway is the importance of good intelligence. The manner Israel has been able to wipe out 1st to 3rd layer of the Iranian leadership is quite unprecedented.

This contrasts disturbingly with Pakistan’s failure to eliminate any high level TTP officials in the ongoing operations in Afghanistan. If Pakistan is struggling against a non-state entity where internal strife is rife, imagine how difficult to impossible it will be for them to collect good intelligence against a peer force like India.

Partly because Pakistan's own establishment directed assets with limited funding towards internal political targets. They are now trying to separate those two aspects up but when your intelligence agency is directed willy nilly to focus on political targets then they have to give up their allocated tasks of focusing on external threats.

After all, if I ask my Marketing team to solely focus all of their product marketing, competitive intelligence and so on efforts into doing HR tasks then you will get what Blackberry realized well after the iPhone was launched.