Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

I actually think the caution in your post is fair, but the bearishness goes a bit too far because it ignores another deeply Pakistani national characteristic...

The same low effort, improvised, dysfunctional culture you are describing also produces a weird kind of short-term crisis resilience. Pakistan repeatedly stumbles into the wall, then somehow patches together just enough elite consensus, external financing, coercive discipline, and social adjustment to avoid the full collapse that confident doomers keep predicting. That is not strength in the healthy sense, but it is still a real pattern, and by now it should be obvious that Pakistan is often better at surviving crises in the short run than reforming itself in the long run.

That is where the “resilience narrative” actually matters. Pakistan has repeatedly used IMF programs, emergency financing, fiscal tightening, remittances, and administrative controls to stabilize after near crisis moments, including the recent period when it moved away from imminent default and restored a degree of stability. Even the World Bank’s recent assessment describes the gains as fragile rather than nonexistent, which is an important distinction.

So yes, there are plenty of reasons to be cautious, especially on governance, productivity, poverty, and long term trajectory, but those same realities should also make people cautious about being too bullish on imminent collapse. Pakistan’s story for decades has been short term wins, longer holds, and delayed consequences, and any serious leader should have recognized early that this survival capacity can become its own trap.

Just enough resilience to avoid reform

BUT

Never enough reform to escape the cycle.
I would highly recommend you (in fact every Pakistani) to read Aitzaz's Indus Saga. Really takes you on a roller coaster ride through our history allowing you to understand individual and collective thought process of a Pakistani and how it was shaped which can be summarised as:
"Khada peeta lahe da, baqi Ahmed shahe da"
 
Now I want to make a few jokes on it..

If Pakistan was a university student, it would be the one with severe ADHD who skips class all semester, starts every assignment the night before, blames the professor, borrows money from friends, somehow passes with a 52, calls it resilience, and then learns absolutely nothing before doing it all again.

Pakistan would be the ADHD doctor who misses the diagnosis for months, panics when the patient crashes, throws five random interventions at once, somehow gets a pulse back, and then calls it medical brilliance.
I've spent my four years in MBBS doing just the same😭
 
@mods


Also don't forget that US invaded Iraq for WMDs in 2003 and ISI (and army) had all the reasons to keep US busy in Afg as it was a widely held belief that our nukes might be the next target (even as late as kiyani) - US statements and evaluations also didn't help.

TTA's coming to power might've been beneficial had we managed our borders aka opposed resettlement of TTP (which is again not an institutional failure but that of policy making). Similarly we didn't target BLA leadership inside Iran but after Iran struck Pakistan we hit them back which mean "intel" was there, will to act was lacking.

But yes our apparatus has gone from proactive to defensive and somewhat survival mode but the credit for that goes to our economy and forex.
You could say the economy and forex is also a case of apparatus failures because they cannot decide between legitimacy and letting the two dynasties run. IK really screwed up what was hoped to be a good solution to finally fix the system(even if the mil establishment wanted it to be “we’ll fix ourselves”) but then khan sahib’s LOng Range Artillery needs overtakes his more sane side and Bajwa’s baju got insecure of Faiz’s Faiziyat and here we are.
 
they couldn't own their airspace.
yet they continue to launch missiles daily
shows you these missiles bases really do work
but as jamd already said we dont need these bases ( IF we are just fighting india )
we just need a good reliable missile system which can be mass produced
 
yet they continue to launch missiles daily
shows you these missiles bases really do work
but as jamd already said we dont need these bases ( IF we are just fighting india )
we just need a good reliable missile system which can be mass produced
Firing 10-15 missiles daily is not a big deal to be honest.
They fired 70+ missiles in single salvos initially and this was the whole point of their deterrence.
But they could not sustain those operations and in result lost their deterrence.
For India/Pak context, Keep those Rafales and Sukhois 100km away from border and i will see how many TELs they can hunt down.
The lesson is simple : develop a technologically superior air force and we're all fine.
 
Firing 10-15 missiles daily is not a big deal to be honest.
yes if u look at it from the wars pov , they are not that effective the hormuz situation is doing the real damage .

but i meant in terms of the effectiveness of these bases , like US/IZZY had air superiority yet they still cant stop these laucnhes 100 percent , all they can do is bomb the entrances
which get reopened very quickly
we're all fine
yes agree with the importance of AF but we still dont have a deterrence to their brahmos and scalps
we need to invest in our strike options ( by air and by land )
 
1- ban Meta and all social media including Palantir use for tracking
2- ban all X accounts and ban Starlink
3- banned all GSP use only Chinese Beidou
4- ban all Afghans and Indians
5- Build wall with Afghanistan

build as fast as possible our own satellite constellations
 
Firing 10-15 missiles daily is not a big deal to be honest.
They fired 70+ missiles in single salvos initially and this was the whole point of their deterrence.
But they could not sustain those operations and in result lost their deterrence.
For India/Pak context, Keep those Rafales and Sukhois 100km away from border and i will see how many TELs they can hunt down.
The lesson is simple : develop a technologically superior air force and we're all fine.
when you can protect those tels with ur airforce, then you can launch 100+ missiles on targets every day without intereption, thats the real superiority, if they distroy ur radars before you do theirs then war is won, if not then lost, but with underground bases you can make a comeback thats ther real point.
 
Sky news gets an Indian in India to report on Pakistan.

Last time they reported in Pakistan they picked the dirtiest part of Lahore on purpose as the presenters background. Low balling c**ts. Doesn't go unnoticed.

They should blanket ban the majority of British media from Pakistan.

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Their TELs got hunted down because they couldn't own their airspace.
Getting stuff underground is not the solution to everything. You still need to have at least a strong airspace denial capability to save what you have hidden underground.

By using bunker busters to choke the entrances, destroying the TELs, and cutting the power supply to underground staff/machines, the enemy can effectively render them useless if not turn them into graveyards.
 

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