Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[nahtanbob]

So many lessons. Biggest lesson is to help countries that are fighting same enemy. Iran shares common goal and that is it's fight against Israel. I hope Iran realized that India is not a friend but enemy. If they make ties severe with India, we will cooperate like close military cooperation. Arm them to the teeth and they should sign an agreement that they will never threaten us. They should also solve this BLA issue now. It's time for iran to help Pakistan. Helping India doesn't save Iran as India wil continue to harm Iranian interest in the region just for israel.

Iran needs airforce. Pakistan can help them rebuild. Iran is the only force that actually managed to do some harm on Israel. Netanyahu was literally crying after destruction in Tel aviv. Pakistan should also procure hypersonic missiles from Iran. Some of them landed successfully on Israel. We need similar technology to teach India a lesson. It's time for Iran to see who helped Iran or not. India stood by Israel and not Iran. Indian agency is involved in the bloodshed in Iran. Iran should open eyes and throw all indians out of their country. It's time for Pakistan to ask Iran to formally made a bloc cobsisting of Iran, China, Turkey, Azerbaijan. We must help these countries at all costs. We must help iran as it's crucial for own safety.

As a sign of goodwill, we should give some f-7s to Iran. We should train their pilots on these f-7s. They can later learn to fly j-10c. Time to make ties stronger. Iran should help Pakistan in this BLA issue. We should also help them against adl. These arab groups are a cancer for Pakistan. Time to reset ties and take them to another level. Arabs will not like it but trust me, arabs can't do anything in any conflict. They can't even save themselves. They are like sellouts.

Long live Iran pakistan friendship. I thought Iran is not important but recent conflict showed me importance of Iran. Take steps Iran. remove indians from your soil.Thanks.

Does it occur to you that Iran considers Pakistan with its IMF merry go around and dependence on Saudi royals as a security liability ?

 

[German Angst]

The lesson is to thank god for:

- strong air force in PAF
- life insurance in the form of China

 

[Watandar]

Does it occur to you that Iran considers Pakistan with its IMF merry go around and dependence on Saudi royals as a security liability ?

Pakistan's economy and budget woes are its biggest weakness, no doubt.

 

[Sinnerman108]

strong education system is the basic pillar of a strong country. but feudal lords want to keep their peasant subjects in perpetual jahalat and poverty.

The least we can do is at least make decent institutions in major cities, and develop smaller cities.

It will take 20+ years before the benefits are seen but better now than never.

Young man,
there are things which are long term, and then there are things which are short term.
What you are saying is right, however it does nothing to solve the problem at hand right now.

 

[Sinnerman108]

The lesson is to thank god for:

- strong air force in PAF
- life insurance in the form of China

You see the fallacy of your comment ?

 

[Distant_Observer]

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[iblini]

Lesson for China,
J36/J50 and the HALE flying wing ISTAR drone is enough to handle within 2000KM, but we still need that NG strategic bomber, it is the last missing puzzle of the full spectrum stealth family, the insider said our project is delayed due to the air force's absurd requirement on the fly range, as we don't have forward base.

This thing is still irreplaceable and a strong deterrent for small, medium tier regional power far away from our soil.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Here is a visual chart depicting Iranian missile penetration rates against Israeli AD. May be slightly off but it's mostly accurate I believe.

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And here is an OSINT observer that managed to map out Israeli AD locations and interceptor types through public cam footage. May have gotten some things incorrect but largely okay.

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[RealNapster]

No one shoul doubt that.. kpk from where i belong people are frustrated to the level that i have heard many now even prefer afghanistan over pakistan

What the hell are you smoking ? No one in KP would prefer Afghanistan. If KPians are pushed too much by fed, they may start an independence struggle. But they will never prefer joining Afghanistan

 

[RealNapster]

Balchestan must be secured. Get the disgruntled Baloch tribesmen and factions on side. Make every effort to seal the border, place landmines, snipers across the frontier.
Build a strong relationship with the Afghan Taliban.
For over 20 years we've been hit hard from our western borders. Israel and india know our weakness and how fragile these lawless regions are especially the vast Baloch countryside.

Do with Baluchistan what India did with Punjab. Split it up in 3. There are 11 pashto speaking districts in Baluchistan (bordering fata and KP). Make them a separate province. Split the remaining Baluchistan in upper and lower Baluchistan. This way you can minimize the threat by at least 40%>

 

[RealNapster]

Here is my list.

1. Split Baluchistan in 3 parts.

2. Develop supersonic missiles with 4000 km range.

3. Instead of Fatah-2 with 400 km range (and 2 missile per launcher), develop a Fatah-2A with 280 km range but 4 missiles per launcher. This way less number of launchers will be able to give a bigger punch.

4. Built under ground bunkers for fighter jets in every air force base. Ensure they are always parked there and only come out when on mission. This will prevent sabotage type incidents and terrorist attacks.

5. Army go to barrack, release Imran Khan. Let politicians resolve their issues. And Army stop acting like "mjhy sab PTA hy, mjhy sab ata hy". When you are retired from army, go and set with your grand kids , don't come to FPSC as chairman.

6. Stop sending military top brass for courses and Ph.Ds to USA and other western countries. Many of them are bought or influenced there. Their kids are born there making them citizens of those countries. Here come conflict of interest. So no courses.

7. No EX-COAS is ever allowed to visit outside of Pakistan. Infact no brigadier and above rank should be allowed to visit our of Pakistan. Ever.

I think that's it.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Here is my list.

1. Split Baluchistan in 3 parts.

2. Develop supersonic missiles with 4000 km range.

3. Instead of Fatah-2 with 400 km range (and 2 missile per launcher), develop a Fatah-2A with 280 km range but 4 missiles per launcher. This way less number of launchers will be able to give a bigger punch.

4. Built under ground bunkers for fighter jets in every air force base. Ensure they are always parked there and only come out when on mission. This will prevent sabotage type incidents and terrorist attacks.

5. Army go to barrack, release Imran Khan. Let politicians resolve their issues. And Army stop acting like "mjhy sab PTA hy, mjhy sab ata hy". When you are retired from army, go and set with your grand kids , don't come to FPSC as chairman.

6. Stop sending military top brass for courses and Ph.Ds to USA and other western countries. Many of them are bought or influenced there. Their kids are born there making them citizens of those countries. Here come conflict of interest. So no courses.

7. No EX-COAS is ever allowed to visit outside of Pakistan. Infact no brigadier and above rank should be allowed to visit our of Pakistan. Ever.

I think that's it.

I support the administrative division of Balochistan into three regions, North, Central, and South but implementing this would likely require a hybrid approach to avoid complications arising from the 18th Amendment.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Why is there no thread like this for lessons from the 3-day-war 2025 Indo-Pak?

Lots of things revealed directly about Pakistan in that too:

— Indecisive military leadership, caught offguard with potential avenues of escalation, took too long to respond

— Poor BDA

— Inadequate air defences

— Underestimated conventional missile firepower

 

[Path-Finder]

Here is what Pakistan needs to focus on:
1. Economy
2. Economy
3. Economy
4. Economy
5. Economy

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes

Problem is, Pakistan is kept poor and economically inept on purpose. That's my observation spanning decades.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes

Problem is, Pakistan is kept poor and economically inept on purpose. That's my observation spanning decades.

West has been doing these to all potential countries that can grow and become at par with these countries. Look at Iran, they put them in heavy sanctions just so that they do not develop so much so that they can be a threat to them. And all those are let to grow economically like UAE, QATAR, Saudi as far as they do not indegenously start their own defence upgrades and obey them and dependent on them for their security.

I just dont understand one thing why USA has the power to sanction any country they want and why the rest of the world atleast other than NATO is standing to these hegemony? is there any expert which can shed lights on these and has a know how of this issue?