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What institution ? The army breaks it's own oath of loyalty to the Constitution, meddles in politics and the economy and turns the country into a rent a state. This is accurately called an armed , unaccountable mafia.

Which dictator was punished for his crimes and corruption that wardi supporters shamelessly talk about paying taxes and obeying the law ? Lol

What business does Pakistan have in Yemen except the army policy of renting the state out to rich foreigners ? none.
Well then what business does your Paramore Iran have in Yemen , Lebanon , Syria and Iraq..... Pakistan is geographically nearer to Yemen than Iran ...if Iran can support houthis then why can't Pakistan support Sunni Yemenis.
 
Sailed?
How?
Saudis have been at it for over a decade now... coalition with Emirates and mercenaries from Africa... both under Saudi proxy and Emirates... until they had a go at each other when Emirates sought to sneak one up on Saudis.
A reminder, Saudis only relented last time when Houthis attacked oil fields and then maintained an embargo on them... which itself is an act of war... besides there was no need to attack that plane and divert it... but A FLEX! A flex that fell back on their own face...

There is no equation where Saudis come out on top by escalating with Houthis... they have less area and over three quarters of all Yemeni population. Once the Saudi front collapses it will only be up to Houthis on where they stop and that is not an outcome anyone wants realized... not right now...
Saudis by adding Pakistan in the mix only admit their own vulnerability and inability to eat crow ... that is be humble enough to understand the equation.
There is no equation where pakistan can remain indefinitely neutral to Irans attacks ... Iran could do this for one or two or five years, is this ok and why?

You have default assumptions that need revision

Where are Irans considerations to the rest of the region and where to draw the line?

Be careful sir you do not mistake Iranian ambitions with Iranian resistance, and open your eyes to the fate of those who placed a type of faith in Iran , Iran did not attack during Gaza... They made it clear their own sacrifices are for when they were attacked alone, so it's a ruthless calculation from them, it relies perhaps on people confusing between blurring the lines on regional designs and resistance


You will only earn respect by asserting limits
 
There is no equation where pakistan can remain indefinitely neutral to Irans attacks ... Iran could do this for one or two or five years, is this ok and why?

You have default assumptions that need revision

Where are Irans considerations to the rest of the region and where to draw the line?

Be careful sir you do not mistake Iranian ambitions with Iranian resistance, and open your eyes to the fate of those who placed a type of faith in Iran , Iran did not attack during Gaza... They made it clear their own sacrifices are for when they were attacked alone, so it's a ruthless calculation from them, it relies perhaps on people confusing between blurring the lines on regional designs and resistance


You will only earn respect by asserting limits

Exactly. The attacks against the Saudis cannot go on indefinitely. The people that are today calling Pakistan to remain neutral don't understand that Iranian policy will have to change. The only side that benefits is Israel.

The Iranians and Saudis must sit down and negotiate. Using proxies won't do any good.
 
Exactly. The attacks against the Saudis cannot go on indefinitely. The people that are today calling Pakistan to remain neutral don't understand that Iranian policy will have to change. The only side that benefits is Israel.

The Iranians and Saudis must sit down and negotiate. Using proxies won't do any good.
Iran is dead and the deads don't make policies.... you can write a decent obituary on the demise of Iran .
 
So you agree with me then from above post.

Not buying the lack of societal accountability, which everyone gives a free pass to.


Anyway let's not derail thread

All of this already explain in detail with many examples from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, UK and many other countries. Go through my previous responses.

You cannot fix Pakistan by lecturing citizens. You fix Pakistan by rebuilding the system and the 34‑EZ model is one structural pathway to do exactly that.

The idea that Pakistan’s problems can be solved simply by “paying taxes, obeying laws, and not blaming institutions” ignores the deeper reality. You cannot demand first‑world civic behavior from citizens living under a system that has never given them first‑world governance.

1. People pay taxes when they trust the system.​

In Pakistan, the Awam sees:​

  • institutions captured by elites,
  • manipulated courts,
  • politicized policing,
  • engineered governments,
  • and zero accountability for those at the top.
You cannot lecture citizens about responsibility when the state itself has not earned their trust.

2. The “one functioning institution” is part of the structural problem​

You claim people “cry” about the only real institution. But Pakistan’s history shows that this institution has repeatedly:
  • interfered in politics,
  • toppled elected governments,
  • shaped economic policy without expertise,
  • and created long-term instability through short-term decisions.
Calling it the “only real institution” ignores decades of institutional overreach that directly contributed to Pakistan’s current crisis.

3. The same institution runs a shadow economy​

The same institution that lectures citizens about taxes runs a massive shadow economy, pays little to no taxes itself, and enjoys perks and privileges ordinary Pakistanis can’t even imagine.

When the most powerful actors operate outside the tax net, how can you expect the Awam to trust the system?

4. Why Pakistanis behave differently in Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar​

The same Pakistanis who ignore laws at home suddenly become disciplined, law‑abiding, and respectful when they go to Saudi Arabia, UAE, or Qatar.

Why? Because those countries have:
  • clear rules,
  • predictable enforcement,
  • functioning institutions,
  • zero tolerance for corruption,
  • and a system where everyone knows the consequences are real.
People behave better when the system behaves better. When governance is strong, citizens naturally follow. When governance is weak, citizens adapt to the chaos around them. (Read about Hurricane Katrina and what happened in Superdome)

So, blaming the Awam for not behaving like they do in the Gulf ignores the core truth, People rise to the level of the system they live under.

5. People turn to strong leaders when institutions fail​

Labeling this as “cult thinking” is simplistic. When courts, bureaucracy, and parliament stop delivering, people naturally look for someone who promises change. That’s not laziness, it’s a symptom of institutional collapse.

6. Comparing Pakistanis to Afghans is misleading​

Afghanistan’s issues come from its own history and decades of conflict. Pakistan’s problems come from:
  • elite capture,
  • repeated constitutional disruptions,
  • engineered political outcomes,
  • and a power structure that never allowed institutions to mature.
Blaming “the people” is an easy shortcut but it ignores structural reality.

7. Citizens cannot fix a system designed to exclude them​

The Awam didn’t create...
  • martial laws,
  • NROs,
  • debt crises,
  • patronage networks,
  • or engineered governments.
These were elite decisions, not public decisions.

Why 34‑EZ Model Fits Perfectly for Pakistan?

This is exactly why the 34‑EZ model matters. It doesn’t rely on slogans like “be a better citizen.” It restructures the system itself.

The 34‑EZ model can address Pakistan’s economic, social, political, psychological, and historical problems by...
  • decentralizing power,
  • eliminating provincial bottlenecks,
  • creating 32–34 accountable administrative units,
  • digitizing governance,
  • removing elite capture,
  • and giving citizens direct access to services.
It replaces a broken architecture with a functional one. It replaces feudal politics with SME‑driven administration. It replaces chaos with structure.

This is not about blaming the Awam. It’s about fixing the system so the Awam finally matters.
 
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Who are army supporters to talk about paying taxes and obeying the law ? Lol
Because you don't really understand what you claim to want, if you want strong civic institutions then go make them, then watch the armys influence naturally reduce, that's a mature society with various pillars of strength.
Instead you cosplay as whatever is in your head..... pay your taxes and get your other institutions doing things properly then talk.

Did you not realise the citizens got to make the country work as well
 
Iran is dead and the deads don't make policies.... you can write a decent obituary on the demise of Iran .
People do not understand Iran is currently a revolutionary state... Since the revolution

It's a perpetual revolution in it's current configuration


It's in the name..... Revolutionary guards lol


At least understand what you support, the mindset


Prior to the war they were exporting the revolution so how do you think their mindset will be now with more influence


Is it desirable?

Does everyone have to join the revolution?

The only people Iranians seem to be ok with, the revolutionary Iranians, are those that sacrifice for the revolution

Do revolutions end or go on forever

Difficult but unfortunately real and live questions
 
Because you don't really understand what you claim to want, if you want strong civic institutions then go make them, then watch the armys influence naturally reduce, that's a mature society with various pillars of strength.
Instead you cosplay as whatever is in your head..... pay your taxes and get your other institutions doing things properly then talk.

Did you not realise the citizens got to make the country work as well
It is not possible to build any institutions or anything else in a society where the army functions as a wrecking ball, constantly destabilizing the polity and meddling far beyond its domain. This same army then fears the consequences of its actions and so conspires to keep all other power centers decrepit. That is the miserable story of Pakistan since the coup in 1958 till today.

You first recognize the severe destructive role the army has played in Pakistan and then lecture others about "being responsible and mature".

Thanks for derailing this thread with your faujeetry btw.
 
It is not possible to build any institutions or anything else in a society where the army functions as a wrecking ball, constantly destabilizing the polity and meddling far beyond its domain. This same army then fears the consequences of its actions and so conspires to keep all other power centers decrepit. That is the miserable story of Pakistan since the coup in 1958 till today.

You first recognize the severe destructive role the army has played in Pakistan and then lecture others about "being responsible and mature".

Thanks for derailing this thread with your faujeetry btw.
Yes the army is excessively powerful but that's because of the void left from perpetual civic failures and if you do not see they are the same dichotomy maybe Afghanistan is a simpler place for you.

The story is civic weakness is as long as the the story of the army increasing influence.

Notice how you derail the thread further because the army is to blame for everything is your ONLY contribution, it's not productive beyond a point
 
People do not understand Iran is currently a revolutionary state... Since the revolution

It's a perpetual revolution in it's current configuration


It's in the name..... Revolutionary guards lol


At least understand what you support, the mindset


Prior to the war they were exporting the revolution so how do you think their mindset will be now with more influence


Is it desirable?

Does everyone have to join the revolution?

The only people Iranians seem to be ok with, the revolutionary Iranians, are those that sacrifice for the revolution

Do revolutions end or go on forever

Difficult but unfortunately real and live questions
All the revolutions in history died , some with a bang and some with a whimper... Iranian one dieing with a bang...I really don't understand what you are on about.
 

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