Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

And if we have principals, why are we not helping Palestinians? Why are we not helping liberate Al-Aqsa? Is Al-Aqsa not the house of Allah?

Do you know when Al-Aqsa was built? Who built it?

Do you think persians love Umar Khatab (2nd Caliph) this much, that they would like to liberate and help a region, that he conquered for the first time in Muslim history?

Palestine is not a holy place nor it is the Urushalim / Jerusalem of Muslims or Islam, that is Makkah and Kabah. As long as Muslims keep fighting for a mosque and not for the rights of the people of that place, we won't win anything.

This fight is not something new, it is historic, unsettled scores, longing to regain the lost territories and pride, avenging the baby king Yazdegerd.
 
You only feel it because they are shia. Otherwise Iran is not exporting religion. If a majority shia in Iraq or Lebanon stand up for there right , its not sectarianism, they been oppressed for longtime, but they also stand up for Palestine. If you think you can give protection to Shia of Lebanon then go ahead , your leader has big claims, but unfortunately he is tool of Israel. Israeli killed more then 100k Palestinian , thousands in Lebanon, few in Syria. But........ lip service ? .


What a BS, so because off this they should exporting ther secterianism:LOL:..

nobody cares in the Islamic world about iran being attacked. only secterianst in forum..
 
Have you been living under a rock for the last 50 years ?






go play in a park, your only stupid argument wahabism...:LOL:
 
I get the feeling that a large-scale, Desert Storm-type military operation led by the MDA is being planned against the Houthis in Yemen.

Nothing appears to be being rushed. Everything seems to be being carefully worked out, with the alliance gradually putting its military coordination and capabilities into place.

Remember, the US took around six months to build up its forces and establish the coalition before launching Operation Desert Storm in January 1991. The massive military build-up began in August 1990, while the air campaign didn't begin until 17 January 1991.

The Makkah Defence Alliance is only weeks old. Its military chiefs have only just begun discussing intelligence cooperation, military coordination and capability integration. So why would anyone expect a fully developed military operation to happen overnight?

If a major operation against the Houthis is ultimately being prepared, I'd expect the same thing: planning, force positioning, logistics, intelligence coordination and preparation first — then action.
 
Their pretty much finished anyway, it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks anymore, their crescent achieved pretty much nothing positive for the region, nor Iran itself. The Palestinians are pretty much in the process of being eradicated too.

It reminds me of that Turkish proverb that goes something along the lines of "those who believe in fantasies, end up getting f'ked by the reality".
That sounds like a good proverb.
 
Shia's and the history, remember Nasridun At Tusi asked Mongol Empire to attack Muslims. And stil today they are doing the same. You shameless people are maybe stupid but history don't lies. Tusi asked the mongol empire to attack Baghdad.

Second Gulf War Iran asked the Amreecans to attack Iraq, this was not enough in Syria that shitty general asked Russia Putin to attack in Syria.

And these stupid people cry wahabism this and that, saudies bad iran stronk.

Please stop your dreams and fantasy about saudi money through Mecca Alliance (only jews like Kushner and Trump milk the cow untill the teat bleeds). Stop spreading sectarian nonsense. Saudis make empty promises.

Learn from the fate of Turkish descent Jamal khashoggi, whom Turkey used to pressure Saudi on a daily basis.

Finally stop delivering oil to Israeli babykillers through your moustache-zionist Aliyev.

Sahih Bukhari (Persian man):

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."
 
I get the feeling that a large-scale, Desert Storm-type military operation led by the MDA is being planned against the Houthis in Yemen.

I don't think so, the whole point of all the recent MDA chiefs meeting was/is try and get the Houthis to stop attacking Saudi directly, nothing else. No one has any desire to go into Yemen itself.
 
Its based on zionists mocking the pact, who else mocks it? There is the message. What other group of "Muslims" attack the pact?
Why is discussing the potential targets, operation and potential failure to deliver of this pact "attacking" it ?

Btw the Zionists are not concerned about this pact, if they had been the US would have never allowed it.

 
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Dawn article by Baqir Sajjad Syed

What comes after Riyadh meeting between the Pakistani, Saudi and Turkish military chiefs?

The hurried meeting of the military chiefs of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkiye in Riyadh on Friday, followed by a separate meeting between Chief of Defence Forces and Chief of Army Staff Field Marshal Asim Munir and Saudi Defence Minister Prince Khalid bin Salman points to how quickly the Makkah Joint Defence Agreement is transitioning to an operational phase.

The statements issued after the two meetings do not contain anything that would suggest that joint strikes or ground operations against Yemen’s Ansar Allah — commonly referred to as Houthis — are in the offing. However, the two communiques do show that the agreement signed on August 7 in Makkah is shifting gears from political assurances to putting in place the military arrangements required to give practical effect to its collective defence commitment.

That is one notable change since the signing of the agreement. For instance, Islamabad’s position, articulated by the Foreign Office only two weeks ago, was that the Makkah agreement was still being institutionalised and there was no discussion of Pakistani participation in strikes against Houthi targets in Yemen. The FO had further characterised the pact as a defensive alliance aimed at protecting regional security through deterrence.

The language contained in the communiques that came out of Riyadh in the early hours of Saturday goes much further.

The statement issued after the meeting of the three military chiefs says they discussed ways of strengthening “intelligence cooperation, military coordination, and capability integration” and expressed their “shared determination to immediately begin translating the commitments contained in the Makkah Agreement for Joint Defence into effective military cooperation”.

The reference to beginning “immediately” and to “effective military cooperation” implies that the three militaries are now looking at how their capabilities can work together, rather than merely reaffirming the principle that an attack on one member would be treated as an attack on all.

This fast-tracking of the implementation of the agreements is taking place against the backdrop of repeated missile and drone attacks on Saudi Arabia from Yemen, including attacks threatening civilian and economic infrastructure and, most significantly for Riyadh, one that is claimed to be directed towards the vicinity of Makkah city.

While the trilateral statement strongly condemned those attacks and praised the Saudi armed forces for their “vigilance and professionalism” in protecting the kingdom, it is noteworthy for lacking any reference to retaliation, offensive operations or strikes against Ansar Allah positions.

Neither Ansar Allah, Houthis, nor Yemen was referenced directly. Instead, emphasis has been placed on intelligence, coordination and integration of capabilities, which would be the first practical steps towards improving Saudi Arabia’s ability to detect, intercept and deter further attacks.

In practical terms, this announcement would translate into closer intelligence sharing and early warning arrangements, as well as technical personnel, air defence specialists, sensors, electronic warfare capabilities and other assets that could be incorporated into Saudi Arabia’s existing defensive architecture.

On the coordination front, the three countries could, as a follow-up to the meeting of the military chiefs, appoint liaison officers and set up a joint planning cell, which can then work for coordinated responses.

The reference to “capability integration” in the statement is particularly significant. Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia can cooperate while maintaining separate military systems and operations, but integrating capabilities would require a much closer degree of liaison, planning and command and control arrangements.

Despite their longstanding defence cooperation and deep military ties, Pakistan and Turkiye have different military capabilities and equipment inventories from those possessed by Saudi Arabia, and the challenge will be to determine what each can contribute and how those capabilities can be incorporated into the kingdom’s existing defence system.

Turkiye has already indicated its readiness to meet Saudi military requirements, particularly on technical matters. Pakistan, meanwhile, has historical military ties with Saudi Arabia and personnel already serving in the kingdom, providing Islamabad with an established channel through which additional support could potentially be arranged.

The separate meeting between Field Marshal Munir and Prince Khalid bin Salman, the only publicly known meeting the Saudi defence minister had bilaterally with the participants of the Makkah alliance meeting, adds another dimension to the developing military engagement.

According to the Saudi statement, the two sides welcomed the outcome of the trilateral chiefs of staff meeting and discussed attacks targeted towards the vicinity of Makkah and towards civilian and economic facilities, while stressing the need to continue “joint efforts to confront these attacks in accordance with the Makkah Agreement for Joint Defence”.

The bilateral statement, on the face of it, looks more urgent than the trilateral one with assertions “discussed how to respond” and “continuing joint efforts to confront”.

One reason for such categorical assertions is that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia already have a bilateral security relationship, and there is also the 2025 Pakistan-Saudi Strategic Mutual Defence Agreement, under which aggression against one is to be regarded as aggression against both, which provides a more mature bilateral channel through which practical measures could be implemented even as the trilateral mechanism is being built.

The composition of the Saudi and Pakistani delegations at the bilateral meeting was also notable. Alongside the Saudi defence minister and chief of general staff were the national security adviser and the adviser to the defence minister for intelligence affairs, while CDF Munir was accompanied by the director general of military operations and his secretary.

This may not reveal what was discussed behind closed doors, but it definitely suggests that the bilateral engagement covered a broader security agenda than a routine follow-up to the chiefs of staff meeting, including the sharing of operational capabilities.

It may be premature to read the Riyadh meetings as preparation for Pakistani or Turkish participation in offensive operations in Yemen, because no such decision has been announced and the phrasing used in the statement instead remained focused on defending Saudi Arabia, its sovereignty and the integrity of its territory. There are, however, obvious signs of the machinery required for any potential future military response being assembled.

The trilateral statement noted that the participants “strongly reaffirmed their commitment to collective defence” and their determination to defend “the security of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, its sovereignty, and the integrity of its territories”.

This formulation gives Turkiye and Pakistan room to strengthen Saudi Arabia’s defences without committing themselves immediately to a wider war in Yemen.

As political and diplomatic support, the foreign ministers had already affirmed Saudi Arabia’s right to take measures it considered appropriate to defend its security under Article 51 of the UN Charter.

The military architecture now being discussed could nevertheless have implications beyond defensive measures.

While intelligence sharing, military coordination and capability integration are necessary for intercepting missiles and drones, they are also the building blocks of a more active military response.

If the three militaries establish a common threat picture, stronger intelligence links and mechanisms for coordinating their forces, they would have much of the infrastructure needed if a political decision were later taken to respond to attacks at their source. But for now, that remains a possibility rather than an announced course of action.

Therefore, the immediate path appears more likely to run through intelligence and threat assessment, followed by an identification of Saudi requirements and the integration of additional capabilities, with the possible deployment of personnel or equipment at a later stage.

Where things go from there would depend on the scale and persistence of the attacks and, importantly, on what Riyadh asks its partners to do.
 
Another article by Baqir Sajjad Syed for dawn. (He seems to be the only one doing some original writing rather than parroting what's trending)
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Who is retired Lt Gen Nauman Mahmood, the first secretary general of the Makkah Defence Alliance?

The first secretary general of the tripartite Makkah Defence Alliance, retired Lieutenant General Nauman Mahmood, is assuming the role after a career in the Pakistan Army spanning field command, intelligence, strategic analysis and professional military education.

The three participating countries in the alliance decided last month that a Pakistani nominee would head its secretariat as the first secretary general. The first term puts Lt Gen Mahmood in the position of a “direction-setter” during the alliance’s formative years as it builds its institutional structure.

His immediate task in Riyadh will be to help build the institutional machinery of the alliance that is still in its early stages, requiring coordination among the participating countries and the translation of political commitments into practical security arrangements.

A Baloch Regiment officer, he was commissioned into the Pakistan Army in September 1987. He is a graduate of the Command and Staff College, Quetta, the Command and Staff College in Egypt and the National Defence University, Islamabad, and holds a master’s degree in War Studies.

A substantial part of his career was spent at the Command and Staff College, where he served in different instructional capacities before becoming chief instructor. The posting not only gave him extensive experience in training officers but also exposed him to military strategy and operational planning.

As a major general, he commanded an infantry division in North Waziristan, where the army had been engaged in counterterrorism operations for several years.

His next assignment took him from the battlefield to the intelligence community when he was appointed director general of the Analysis Directorate at Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

At the ISI, his work involved assessing developments abroad from a national security perspective, making the assignment particularly relevant to Pakistan’s foreign policy and strategic decision-making. The position also brought him into contact with foreign intelligence agencies as part of the ISI’s external liaison.

He was promoted to the rank of lieutenant general in April 2019 and appointed inspector general of Communications and Information Technology at General Headquarters. In December that year, he moved to Peshawar to take command of XI Corps.

His tenure as corps commander coincided with one of the most sensitive periods along Pakistan’s western border. The US was preparing to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan, while Pakistan was pressing ahead with the fencing of the frontier and dealing with the security fallout from the rapidly changing situation across the border.

Lt Gen Mahmood relinquished command of XI Corps in Nov 2021 and was subsequently appointed president of the National Defence University in Islamabad, becoming the 35th head of the institution. He remained in the post until he retired from the army in April 2023.

He was also among the officers believed to be contenders for elevation to the post of chief of army staff during the last transition in 2022.

Lt Gen Mahmood’s military career has taken him through several areas that are now relevant to his role in the new alliance, from command of a formation in the former tribal areas and responsibility for a sensitive section of the Afghanistan border to intelligence analysis, foreign liaison and the teaching of national security and strategic affairs.
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