Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[El Sidd]

The impact of a self fellatio infested dictator are slowly but surely surfacing. He's left no stone unturned to ensure we end up in a mess and we did. Who will we kill, Iran+Yemen and oppose Russia n China in the get go?
Or defend the Saudi royal arse while pleasing the yankis and cutting short the path to greater Israel? Kiss the Abraham Accord? All for a billion dollars?

It's a ditch and well situation. Choose your pick.
Thank you hazrat field marshal and band of cronies.

Do you think an Iranian style revolution in Pakistan is absolute necessity of time?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The Arab leaders sat with some who has done an actual genocide of their own brothers and sisters in Palestine, to further conspire with him on how to attack Iran, the only country who is standing up for Palestine...

The same person who started a war with Iran, that has ravaged their countries and cost them tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars collectively.

It is not hard to have no sympathy for these Arabs at times like this...

The ultimate prize here is when zion has it's defenses erected in the peninsula. They'd want everyone elbowed out the door... they are pitching the alternative to the US umbrella that withdraws from the region...

That would be the ultimate aim as per "a clean break"... laid out. Part of the reason is both Pakistan and Turkiye CANNOT dictate terms to gulf sheikhdoms and statelets... zion can and does. It's pace is dictated by perception and Iran maintained as a boogeyman fulfills that... something they can pitch as a common cause.... both against Houthis and Iran.
In that scenario, they'll keep raising heat on Turkiye to knock it down a notch. This will continue as US goes for broke to get a result... and retrench. Taking over both Cuba and Canada... while Denmark has dished Greenland in a silver platter already. There is no going back for Greenland... it's fate is sealed.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

... He is talking about money
but in reality , Egypt gets money from the USA ( 1,2 billion Dollars annually ) for Israeli interests

The fella lives under yet another 12-year tin-pot dictatorship, after previously living under a 29-year one, and yet he’s lecturing others.

Apparently, ruthless and oppressive rulers in Egypt and Iran are somehow halal, righteous and legitimate—but leaderships elsewhere are a completely different matter.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The ultimate prize here is when zion has it's defenses erected in the peninsula. They'd want everyone elbowed out the door... they are pitching the alternative to the US umbrella that withdraws from the region...

That would be the ultimate aim as per "a clean break"... laid out. Part of the reason is both Pakistan and Turkiye CANNOT dictate terms to gulf sheikhdoms and statelets... zion can and does. It's pace is dictated by perception and Iran maintained as a boogeyman fulfills that... something they can pitch as a common cause.... both against Houthis and Iran.
In that scenario, they'll keep raising heat on Turkiye to knock it down a notch. This will continue as US goes for broke to get a result... and retrench. Taking over both Cuba and Canada... while Denmark has dished Greenland in a silver platter already. There is no going back for Greenland... it's fate is sealed.

Ideally, Pakistan would temper its collaboration with Saudi and make it clear to Saudi to not do that, if the Saudi insist on bringing in Israel into the middle east, or collaborating with them against Iran.

Unfortunately, we know Pakistan will however do any tricks requested of it for cash like it does all the time..

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Ideally, Pakistan would temper its collaboration with Saudi and make it clear to Saudi to not do that, if the Saudi insist on bringing in Israel into the middle east, or collaborating with them against Iran.

Unfortunately, we know Pakistan will however do any tricks requested of it for cash like it does all the time..

Pakistan has no such vehicle or leverage to persuade Saudis or anyone in the gulf to affect that... and that has been the nature of their relationship. In contrast with zion... for instance Jared "the Riviera" Kushner can come and ask anyone of these gulf monarchies to rescue his enterprise, pitching it for it's potential or access and not his dire straits. And there any number of these... the weapons sales for instance this purported F 35, white elephant deal... doesn't make Saudis a superpower nor prevent a collapse... and this is just the latest.
The nature of that relationship caters to zion... and Pakistan to Saudis... the pecking order is lopsided....and Saudis have an active conflict where they need an international coalition to just maintain status quo.

 

[r3alist]

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Pakistan has no such vehicle or leverage to persuade Saudis or anyone in the gulf to affect that... and that has been the nature of their relationship. In contrast with zion... for instance Jared "the Riviera" Kushner can come and ask anyone of these gulf monarchies to rescue his enterprise, pitching it for it's potential or access and not his dire straits. And there any number of these... the weapons sales for instance this purported F 35, white elephant deal... doesn't make Saudis a superpower nor prevent a collapse... and this is just the latest.
The nature of that relationship caters to zion... and Pakistan to Saudis... the pecking order is lopsided....and Saudis have an active conflict where they need an international coalition to just maintain status quo.

This is not unfair, much depends on the extent to which this pact has ambition, mutually shared


However remember Saudi Pakistan turkey were all doing significant collaborations with one another, Saudi is funding the kaan possibly, therefore it's another layer on top of what's there

If you inherently dislike Saudis know that you could risk another middle east country decimated, everyone knows about house of said but why can't you guys not compute that societal collapse and upheaval is better avoided

 

[GoatsMilk]

Why do you feel the need to indulge in the Zionist "mocking" of the pact?

Because if it was good for Zionism, they wouldn't be mocking it the same way the Iranian sectarians mock it. The point im making is that both sides ultimately are enemies of Muslims. While one side can fool the Muslim side with the Palestinian cause, the other is clear and open.



Most of these leftists tend to be pro Iran too.

Long story short anything that helps the wider Muslim world, we get the same reaction from both sides.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This is not unfair, much depends on the extent to which this pact has ambition, mutually shared

Do try that again... I didn't get it. This is a defense pact... so I don't know what ambition is being pursued. But I'd like you to elaborate before I go on a tangent.

However remember Saudi Pakistan turkey were all doing significant collaborations with one another, Saudi is funding the kaan possibly, therefore it's another layer on top of what's there

"Possibly" way too much word salad to say just one word.
Saudis spend multiple times that of what Pakistan spends on its defense. And you know WHAT‽
It is freaking Pakistani jet, JF 17 in Saudi Arabia!

If you inherently dislike Saudis know that you could risk another middle east country decimated,

As opposed to what... them and Emaratis destroying mideast to cater for zion and maintain their monarchies? I have no inherent dislike for anything or anyone... but if Saudis get decimated by Houthis of everyone else... guess they brought upon themselves... from initiating this crisis and then perpetrating over the years at great expense to themselves. And Houthis have no special privilege or advantage over Saudis in anything, nothing that Saudis can't surpass... they have bombed them indiscriminately ... just check the cumulative tonnage dropped on them already by all parties involved.

everyone knows about house of said but why can't you guys not compute that societal collapse and upheaval is better avoided

"You guys" seriously?
A Pakistani cleric just sanctioned Houthis appostates... Zaidis are the closest to Sunnah and over the centuries considered Muslims... now a political convenience for the house of Saud...
Saudis have been a conduit to this upheaval.
For the record, I'm not for anarchy and collapse of gulf states.

 

[r3alist]

Do try that again... I didn't get it. This is defense pact... so I don't know whag ambition is being pursued. But I'd like you to elaborate before I go on a tangent

Self explanatory, combine forces to enhance collective deterrence

How many times was nato invoked, yet it's considered largely successful

And why do you expect it to be immediate, carry on ignoring reasonable questions

Possibly" way too much word salad to say just one word.
Saudis spend multiple times that of what Pakistan spends on its defense. And you know WHAT‽
It is freaking Pakistani jet, JF 17 in Saudi Arabia!

So you miss the point, kaan would be over time a non western 5th gen platform,over time, and available to pact members, if you can't comprehend the import of that please take wise out your handle

Saudi I believe are planning to go in on this

As opposed to what... them and Emaratis destroying mideast to cater for zion and maintain their monarchies

I recall you being one of the guys lamenting Gaza with no realistic solution, do you enjoy societal collapse or something?it's incumbent on you to consider some process or alternative with reference to human cost

Zaidis are the closest to Sunnah and over the centuries considered Muslims... now a political convenience for the house of Saud...
Saudis have been a conduit to this upheaval.
For the record, I'm not for anarchy and collapse of gulf states.

Inter tribe Arab conflict is hardly new, it's just heightened in today's world, so I have a dog in this race? don't think so

Everyone should learn the lesson from Taliban that sandal wearing fighters are not automatically authentic, in fact they tend to become chauvinistic because people gas them up, group race tribal pride is something everyone can fall to

What you fundamentally ignore is if you want Saudi sovereignty to improve, or Pakistani or Turkish it could only happen if it's a combined effort where everyone lifts the floor for the other, else you just have perpetual lament about nation x y z

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Self explanatory, combine forces to enhance collective deterrence

How many times was nato invoked, yet it's considered largely successful

And why do you expect it to be immediate, carry on ignoring reasonable questions

Which is exactly why I didn't bother... ambition equates to what.... you have an agenda and you expect me to be up to speed with it... I'm not and neither do I care...

As to your lament... no one expects a coalition to perform before task is at hand. But since you didn't understand my point ... you manufactured context.

For that get to read a bit... "A Clean break" the neocon/miliekowsky agenda for the broader mideast and then you bring up your point.

So you miss the point, kaan would be over time a non western 5th gen platform,over time, and available to pact members, if you can't comprehend the import of that please take wise out your handle

Saudi I believe are planning to go in on this

Just like you previous post stating "possibly" the operative word here is "planning"
The rest is foam...

I recall you being one of the guys lamenting Gaza with no realistic solution,

where quote me or move along

do you enjoy societal collapse or something?

Read my previous post

it's incumbent on you to consider some process or alternative with reference to human cost

Incumbent? Get real wilya kid...

Keep head down or it will be smacked in submission is the price you're willing to pay...
Who are you give Gaza for zion?
Or Iran for Saudi....
Or Yemen for that matter.

The humanitarian crisis created by Saudis in Yemen alone would have sufficed.

Inter tribe Arab conflict is hardly new, it's just heightened in today's world, so I have a dog in this race? don't think so

I don't know... but your skewed opinion does tilt in favor of one against the other...

Everyone should learn the lesson from Taliban that sandal wearing fighters are not automatically authentic, in fact they tend to become chauvinistic because people gas them up, group race tribal pride is something everyone can fall to

You need a shoulder to lean on?
People care for their own... what else is new...
On one end are suited zionists and the others wear sandals...

Get it together.

What you fundamentally ignore is if you want Saudi sovereignty to improve, or Pakistani or Turkish it could only happen if it's a combined effort where everyone lifts the floor for the other, else you just have perpetual lament about nation x y z

Saudi sovereignty improves by occupying Yemen?
You tell me...

 

[r3alist]

As to your lament... no one expects a coalition to perform before task is at hand. But since you didn't understand my point ... you manufactured contex

Then I maybe missed the point in good faith

For that get to read a bit... "A Clean break" the neocon/miliekowsky agenda for the broader mideast and then you bring up your point.

I think all militaries are aware of this and it's hardly breaking news, nor is the strategy of tension which is just as operative and devastating, so is the remedy not to reduce space for tension to be created

Keep head down or it will be smacked in submission is the price you're willing to pay

You may not like it but strategic calculations have always happened, live to fight another day

The humanitarian crisis created by Saudis in Yemen alone would have sufficed

I can't disagree with you here on Yemeni suffering , but what are you saying, do what? you just said further down people care for their own, nothing new, so maybe get it together?

You need a shoulder to lean on?
People care for their own... what else is new

See above

Saudi sovereignty improves by occupying Yemen?
You tell me..

Again, it's inter arab wars, the pact addresses something else

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I think all militaries are aware of this and it's hardly breaking news, nor is the strategy of tension which is just as operative and devastating, so is the remedy not to reduce space for tension to be created

A what?
Again "A Clean Break" is a document. A path for zion to pursue in order to adjust in Mideast, a transition from its current colonial enterprise to transition as a regional hegemon.

I mean just yapping on and on... slow down with your re-takes!

You may not like it but strategic calculations have always happened, live to fight another day

That is fine as long as it is you on the other end making that decision and not someone making it for you...

Again, it's inter arab wars, the pact addresses something else

Is that the new normal? If it is so generic why be a part of it... after all it another inter-Arab conflict.

 

[r3alist]

A what?
Again "A Clean Break" is a document. A path for zion to pursue in order to adjust in Mideast, a transition from its current colonial enterprise to transition as a regional hegemo

This is genuinely very banal and old document, it's not 2005 anymore, but it reinforces the pact logic because it's designed for SOVEREIGN protection, having witnessed the clean break already go to town on Libya Iraq Syria each one picked off one by one the pact no doubt has this implicitly in mind, so what's your issue?

if certain events have aligned that allows it to happen why is that inherently illegitimate,the world clearly does not function on unambiguous ideological lines

can I mention again strategy of tension which is far more operative, have a look if you wish

Is that the new normal? If it is so generic why be a part of it... after all it another inter-Arab conflict.

It's a mess, it's historically consistent within Arab and Muslim history, Pakistan is fighting Afghanistan, obviously preferable not to, you can take the world as you hope or as you find it, but that's aside from the pact aspiration to deter excessive sovereign attacks, to keep the pact members atleast no less societally functioning and in tact than the present.... and build over time

Yemen conflict will abate and is extant to the pact, does Pakistan invoke it for Afghanistan, so give some credit that those who formulated it understand what it's for, and understand present challenges in times of regional war

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This is genuinely very banal and old document, it's not 2005 anymore, but it reinforces the pact logic because it's designed for SOVEREIGN protection, having witnessed the clean break already go to town on Libya Iraq Syria each one picked off one by one the pact no doubt has this implicitly in mind, so what's your issue?

Are you going to decide terms and path set forth by the ones in charge? An internet troll?
Mileikowsky is running zion...
The latest war on Iran is the last, laying a platform.
A platform, that integrates and perches zion as the top dog in the middle-east. He celebrates that and an internet troll from nowhere, with no context, knowledge, path or power swipes to the next reel...
I mean what else can you really do?

You have quoted me enough already so consider this my last.

if certain events have aligned that allows it to happen why is that inherently illegitimate,the world clearly does not function on unambiguous ideological lines

can I mention again strategy of tension which is far more operative, have a look if you wish

Dish that claptrap to someone else...

It's a mess, it's historically consistent within Arab and Muslim history, Pakistan is fighting Afghanistan, obviously preferable not to, you can take the world as you hope or as you find it, but that's aside from the pact aspiration to deter excessive sovereign attacks, to keep the pact members atleast no less societally functioning and in tact than the present.... and build over time

World is run by those who have an agenda and a path forward. The rest either make use of it, lament or create rationales.

Yemen conflict will abate and is extant to the pact, does Pakistan invoke it for Afghanistan, so give some credit that those who formulated it understand what it's for, and understand present challenges in times of regional war

Again... seriously kid. Move on.

 

[gamaji]

The revelations by the former chief of the Old Iraqi Shia Opposition Intelligence regarding the 'Shia Crescent' actually provide the missing one-third pieces of the puzzle regarding the strategic game being played in SE Asia and Middle East. Most of the instability in these areas is caused by two rogue states, Israel and India, which are overtly following expansionist policies while pursuing their goals of Greater Israel and Akhund Bharat, respectively. These two states are occupying others' lands in clear and continuous violation of pertinent UN resolutions. Both these states use terrorism and terrorist groups as their veritable arm as their state policy tool. Political instability and ethnic fighting in different regional countries suit them very well for furthering and promoting their expansionist agendas. However, Iran's regional policies were indeed intriguing for many observers. For example, Iran and Israel appear to be sworn enemies of each other while India and Israel are strategic allies and, at the same time, Iranian mullahs keep expressing their strategic alliance with India. It all defied the logic by showing that 'my enemy's friend is my strategic friend'. All other countries in the region have faced overt and covert pressures from all these three bullies.