Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

US and Israel are doing what they been doing. We need to stop thinking we have any " say" in this whole situation. Iran knows his survival exist with Russia and China. Pakistan can t provide anything to Iran, mediation on the behalf of US. If we had elected govt then that would be different situation.
You just said Pakistan can't affect anything, so elected government means what


Someone had to be a mediator, there is no other viable option that both accept so what's the issue, Pakistan put it's hand up, nothing to criticise unless you are determined to be negative

No one said Pakistan has a say, straw man

What next you want to be negative about
 
He's too eager for own good... guys like him jump ship... or sell short at first instance not knowing the stakes...
considering every shining object gold...
He was the one negotiating JCPOA... knowing that even back then Obama couldn't provide permanent relief on sanctions or release frozen assets. So, Obama played optics by using executive orders only for orange to come along and put paid to the whole agreement... how many years and how many parties involved... guarantors and all...
Even compliance failed to deliver. His example of China is also wrong
... because US came to China when IT needed China more... and so long as China longed for US ... it wasn't even recognized as a legitimate government... and if Gen. MacArthur had his way... would have been nuked as well during the Korean war.
Iran has to arrive at a stage where it is needed more than it's competition... which is why it is futile... the competition serves the buyer to get the best deal... it provides leverage to the US to walk away from current commitments and sign new, at better terms. It is here ... where, if the competition understands the folly of it all and mends ties for regional cooperation and improvement horizontally...
The assets tied up in the collective however keep anyone from making sound long-term regional investments. It is as if working with one hand tied behind your back. Either someone like orange will do it for you or one will have to make the hard decision locally.
Are you in the irgc or something?
 
Is " entropy" a new addition in your vocabulary ? You have been using it indiscriminately in the last many days like a 10 years old who wants to impress.
Entropy has to be arrested.... Except in his own region.
 
Is " entropy" a new addition in your vocabulary ? You have been using it indiscriminately in the last many days like a 10 years old who wants to impress.

Perhaps you should have checked the first time I used it in old forum... but it sure looks like you heard it for the first time.
 

Well, we are trying our best to bring Modi to next SCO meeting in Islamabad. Track 2 diplomacy in progress. We already buried Kashmir cause, water distribution. If we are on back foot then no one will come help us. Protect your national interest. Look at Turkey, they refuse to involve in this war, but we are fully involve.

Indian official attends SCO event in Pakistan: 5 broad takeaways

This was the first visit to Pakistan by an Indian official delegation since Operation Sindoor last year. Why did the visit happen, and what is next?​

 
Is " entropy" a new addition in your vocabulary ? You have been using it indiscriminately in the last many days like a 10 years old who wants to impress.
Here... you made me search my own...

But not unexpected coming from you as another cheap retort
Major values reforms may not necessarily have major gains, I read your other comment and I guess you deleted it so I'm quoting this instead.

In this case, The opposite is true of Pakistan. A minority ruled state by a foreign aggressor for the sole purpose of economic drain allowed coercions and corruption at every single level of society. Depriving locals their language, culture and faith in fear that they may rise up against the tyranny and oppression. At heart of this manipulation was social engineering and manufacture of parallel structure. Civil servants were trained and military grunts were broken in...

.. much of this practice continues unabated.

...it has created generations of confused masses. Who have been culturally, politically and religiously divided. Each with their own shop... to the point where everything is surface deep and divisive... and everyone is powerless to do something about it... to the point of hopelessness. By removing the intellectuals and inteligencia, everything local has been deprived it's depth and gravitas.

Which is where this debate of secularism surfaces every few months. Pakistan is thoroughly secular... and people are culturally confused. Anything native, such as clothes or language are still different in positions of power, where local is considered regressive. Agendas have a seat and people have lost their mandate. They're easier to manipulate and shop keepers don't want to lose their undeserved perch.

The post could have been cogent, comprehensive and structured but it would have taken way too long and it is easier to lose interest so instead it is a hoj-poj…


"上梁不正下梁歪"

(Shàng liáng bù zhèng xià liáng wāi)

"If the upper beam is not straight, the lower beams will be crooked."



Lao Tzu

"If the government is sluggish and tolerant, the people will be honest and free from guile."

"If the government is prying and meddling, there will be constant infraction of the law."

"If the government is corrupt? then uprightness becomes rare, and goodness becomes strange."

China has a deep ingrained civilizational understanding... and it's distinction is such that cultural, social and religious imports become uniquely Chinese.


Well, we have it upside down south of Himalayas!



Background

Up until the Mogul rule the regions were governed under self rule that was undone by the champion of many here, Ranjit Singh, under a solitary goal. He purged the old order, sat his own governors and took power away from locals. Worst yet, by the time his spark and state faded under its own weight the British had arrived. Rule shifted from people, to agendas and ideologies! It was convenient for the occupation to have the mandate usurped by vested interests. And therfore first parties were in fact those of land owners. It is stupid to have the discourse revolve around finance and social values, but it is convenient.

Now,

The resultant state in Pakistan had a bureaucracy trained by the British that was high in optics. It was a ruling machine that was told how to behave and operate, how to keep the aura of power and prestige. How to stoke ego and create envy. It was distant and had disdain and contempt for the common man. The ones in were superior to the ones outside. Local language, culture, cuisine and arts were kept alive by the unkempt illiterates and positions of power were manned by chosen few, now a caste unto themselves, generationally gifted and endowed by the empire. They keep a distance from the locals and mingle as a local in western lands. The political ideology too is lost as it was never native and ones catering to these have moved on to a mishmash that belongs nowhere, same is true of religiously influenced polities. Each is a shop and a business. People assume them as representatives, they are not… nor are they true to their cause. They are LARPing a paradigm that left them long ago… so they must mimic it as religiously as possible.

It Is a twilight zone suffering entropy for as yet undetermined period of time to come… till the coma ends or the paradigm self distructs.

The apologists join in as the assimilated against the unwashed masses. Who deserve nothing better and like I shared the Chinese proverb blame them for their fate!

What a clown show mythopoesis!
 
now thats the real deal. You can look who is on your side and who is not.
Yes, you are right ... India-Saudi

Breakdown of Trade (FY 2025–26)
    • Total Trade Volume: $41.07 billion
    • India's Imports from Saudi Arabia: $30.79 billion (dominated by crude oil, LPG, fertilizers, chemicals, and plastics)
    • India's Exports to Saudi Arabia: $10.28 billion (dominated by engineering goods, rice, petroleum products, chemicals, textiles, and food products
 
Yes, you are right ... India-Saudi

Breakdown of Trade (FY 2025–26)
    • Total Trade Volume: $41.07 billion
    • India's Imports from Saudi Arabia: $30.79 billion (dominated by crude oil, LPG, fertilizers, chemicals, and plastics)
    • India's Exports to Saudi Arabia: $10.28 billion (dominated by engineering goods, rice, petroleum products, chemicals, textiles, and food products
so trade volume is it all.
Gawader terrorism we did nothing brother mulk
kulbushan did nothing islamic brother
Uzair baloch spying for brother islami mulk
First drone from islami mulk
First attack from islami mulk
i cant name this country because its islami brother country
 
Well, we are trying our best to bring Modi to next SCO meeting in Islamabad. Track 2 diplomacy in progress. We already buried Kashmir cause, water distribution. If we are on back foot then no one will come help us. Protect your national interest. Look at Turkey, they refuse to involve in this war, but we are fully involve.

Indian official attends SCO event in Pakistan: 5 broad takeaways

This was the first visit to Pakistan by an Indian official delegation since Operation Sindoor last year. Why did the visit happen, and what is next?​

What's that got to do with anything? You bring in sco administration to this


Suddenly you go from SLAVE THIS THAT, to if Iran makes nice with someone you are at war with.... it's just protect your national interest 🤣

Iranians find peasants to sow destruction so they come out on top, no Israel no Gaza now with the Taliban.
They are the regions nihilists


Turkey is giving military logistics and advisors, you want the war over in 2 days lol, Iran has to take on little satan no?

Now find another empty criticism....
 








And this time......


Shia partisans getting played as well.... It's not religion it's ethnos

 
Russia just delivered the amount of 1 day consumption to US. Trump can send out 1000 tweets now.

I said earlier, Russia will use Iran as leverage if it has to

The oil disruption is harming poorer nations more than anyone else so well done
 

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