Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Watandar]

Our security forces are trying and many facing martyrdom on daily basis against those khawarij.

It would be preferable to finish that job first before going elsewhere.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

someone should create a detail post about the equipment/fighter jets, tanks, ships, AD systems, subs, drones list of all 3 countries... that will be a good read, @Pakistani Dragon you got any list like that?

Nah, I only collate publicly available data regarding Pakistan Air Force inventories where possible.

 

[Meengla]

Interesting video from Praveen - he seems to suggest that Iran knew of this agreement and it was something that Iran has discussed with Russia, China and Pakistan also.

Pakistan is trying to bring Iran into at least a detente regionally. And Pakistanis are the only nation the Iranians trust the most. It is going to be difficult because Iran has the Zealots in IIRGs who are very steeped in some millenia old ideas of revolutions and martyrdom but not impossible.

 

[mythbuster]

This deal is mainly about Saudi Arabia purchasing protection - whether as boots on the ground from Pakistan or defense equipment and technology from Turkiye , and is fully blessed by the US. Pakistan had already signed the bilateral pact, and the Failed Marshal and Showbaaz went there just for effect. To be fair, I think the aim is deterrence against Iran or its allies attacking Saudi, because none of the three countries actually want to get involved in an armed conflict. Pakistan really had no choice in the matter because the Saudis have us by the financial balls.

Israel is a convenient bogeyman because a military alliance explicitly targetted at Iran would be deeply unpopular with the public. Netanyahu's stupidity and hubris has made it easy to sell the anti-Zionist narrative, but his days are numbered and I see a strong possibility of a renewed push for the Abraham Accords once the new Israeli government takes office.

As for India and Greece, I don't think it affects either substantively, though both may use the narrative to justify diplomatic moves they would have made regardless.

Oh my , that innocent Israel is a convenient boogyman.. keep coming with such gems.

 

[Saifullah]

Yeah, that’s reasonable in theory. But the timing is a bit suspicious. And it’s a shame that Muslims could not unite in this way in response to a genocide.

Iran had its axis of “resistance”. Did they mobilize and fight in defence of Gaza? Wasn’t the invasion of Gaza a redline for Hezbollah? Where was Haniyah assassinated? Who gave false promises to Hamas indirectly causing this whole mess?

Iran and its axis did not do anything for months when genocide was being carried out in Gaza. Hezb only started fighting back when israel brought the fight to it and killed its leader. Assad didn’t left a finger against Israelis when he was in power for months after Gaza was invaded. Iran didn’t launch any missile barrages at israel solely in response for the invasion of Gaza and genocide in Gaza. Iran only started launching missiles after israel took the fight to it. Houthis only started firing missiles and attacking ships after most their senior rank was wiped out by israel.

Iran in its axis are currently fighting in defence of themselves, not Gaza. Their pacifism and refusal to help Gaza when it was invaded was the reason israel was able to humiliate the “axis” one by one.

The biggest difference is GCC countries, Pakistan, Turkey etc didn’t give false promises and hopes to Hamas to launch such an attack. They used their diplomatic leverage to shield Palestinians as much as they could and poured billions in to help reconstruction. Hamas leaders visited Turkey many times but never got assassinated there. When they visit Iran they get assassinated. For war a proper plan and strategy is needed. Iran and it’s supporters find excuses for Iran and its axis sitting out the war for months but expect countries with near non existent indigenous defence industries like GCC to suddenly invade and annex israel overnight. Moves like the current defence agreement leads to Muslim countries having enough power to stand up to israel but many Iran supporters are against the very agreement that’ll allow these countries to stand up to israel.

Remember Arab countries have already fought 4 major wars and Hamas supplies and money still largely comes from Arab countries, not Iran. War isn’t fought with emotions it’s fought with a clear decisive plan and strategy. Maybe Nasrallah and Khamenei would have still been alive today if Iran had a strategy and plan to counter israel. If the goal was martyrdom why the wait for months after Gaza was invaded, levelled, and wait for the enemy to bring the fight to you while trying to find ways to avoid war.

 

[Starlord]

Everything boils down to their favorite 'Khan' not making these deals. I have seen similar pattern in the Iran war thread where the Pahlavists despise everything done by the current Iranian govt.
It is impossible for such brains to admit that they bet on the wrong horse!

Like I said, people are upset because this agreement we signed with "Wrong" Muslims, and signed by the "Wrong" leader from Pakistan, people forget that their messiah Khan went to Malaysia to create a block with Turkey which will/would include Iran... and they all got so mad that KSA force Pakistan not to go... mai karun tu salaa character dheela hai!!!

 

[Trailer23]

Put him in your ignore list bro, he has birth defect, Can't fix what Allah has refused to fix. 100's of intelligent, Briliant minds of Turkish/KSA national security advisors, think tanks and analysts with decades of expertise, Ph.D's and other economic/geopolitics/defense related education but they all got it wrong but this user on PDF got everything right, lol yeah sit down big fella. People here discussing hypotheticals which didn't happen, they made up scenario's and based on these scenarios they are trolling this agreement which signed not even 48 hrs ago. Like talk about the narcissist behavior at its peak. Some are just upset because of their Sectarianism, if this agreement was done with Iran/Houthis then this would become Halal Agreement, Literally none of the 3 countries who signed named any enemy, Not Iran, Not India, Not Greece... they just signed a defense agreement which formalize a already existing defense coorporation. Pakistani Chutiye mostly certain sect, or followers of forgotton leader sitting in jail, if this Agreement was signed by Messiah Khan, than this agreement would've been better than Agreement of Hudaibiya which Rasool Allah signed, because they offer their namaz facing Adiyala Jail not Mecca.
I am just enjoying the burnouts, crashouts, freakouts, because these seasonal tidday will make their Chu chu and eventually few of them get banned, or retreat to their own country's sections, none of them holds a reasonable argument against this agreement or can provide any evidence that its against any particular country.
Just enjoy the show brother

Oh bhai, ye jo hum itnay Operations kar rahay hain in Baluchistan & K-P..., uus may jo itnay Terrorist mar rahay hain wo een ke AmmA maar rahe hain.

Fighting a conventional War and fighting a Gorilla War are two different things which certain retards just won't understand.

 

[Owaiz]

Oh my , that innocent Israel is a convenient boogyman.. keep coming with such gems.

One doesn't have to be innocent to be a bogeyman, but Israel is bombing Iran, Gaza and Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia, Turkiye or Pakistan. If this is about Israeli atrocities, why haven't Iran, Gaza and Lebanon been included in the pact ?

 

[pakistanitarzan]

It would be preferable to finish that job first before going elsewhere.

BLA and TTP is not an easy problem to solve. With that said, other issues that are also a priority can not be sidelined. Diplomacy doesn't work in sequence.

 

[Watandar]

Oh bhai, ye jo hum itnay Operations kar rahay hain in Baluchistan & K-P..., uus may jo itnay Terrorist mar rahay hain wo een ke AmmA maar rahe hain.

Fighting a conventional War and fighting a Gorilla War are two different things which certain retards just won't understand.

Conventional war mai konsay teer marain hain ? Kya Kashmir ko azad kya ? Kya East Pakistan ka difa kiya ?
Kya Delhi ko fatha kiya ? Kya Afghanistan mai strategic depth hasil kee ?

Flop in both conventional war and anti-terrorism magar Middle East ja rahay hain pehlawan ban kar. Baiwakuf.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

One doesn't have to be innocent to be a bogeyman, but Israel is bombing Iran, Gaza and Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia, Turkiye or Pakistan. If this is about Israeli atrocities, why haven't Iran, Gaza and Lebanon been included in the pact ?

Its nothing to do with Israel.

 

[Watandar]

BLA and TTP is not an easy problem to solve. With that said, other issues that are also a priority can not be sidelined. Diplomacy doesn't work in sequence.

Effective diplomacy is based on your domestic strength and stability. No one takes a bankrupt country with multiple insurgencies and never ending political fracas seriously.

 

[El Sidd]

It is apparent that Pakistan's political parties apart from the Muslim league oppose the arrangement for defence pacts.

Nationalist political parties like PPP, and nationalist movements like PTI look towards military engagements beyond immediate borders with disdain. It is a likely possibility that PTI and PPP can dislodge the Muslim Leagues loosely built coalition government.

 

[Meengla]

Like I said, people are upset because this agreement we signed with "Wrong" Muslims, and signed by the "Wrong" leader from Pakistan, people forget that their messiah Khan went to Malaysia to create a block with Turkey which will/would include Iran... and they all got so mad that KSA force Pakistan not to go... mai karun tu salaa character dheela hai!!!

Saudi Arabia has repeatedly bailed Pakistan out and there is a long history of that. When recently the UAE asked Pakistan to give the money back, which Pakistan did, it was again Saudi Arabia which stepped up to help Pakistan. Financially, no country has helped Pakistan more and militarily/diplomatically no country has helped Pakistan more than China.
And to make alliances with the remote, middling powers like Malaysia and Indonesia?!! Only a total dumbass would ignore the trade/commerce and geographical reasons to come up with such bizarre ideas. But then the Khan Messiah married a witch wife with multiple kids and so anything is possible. In Karachi-lingo: What a 'Ch'! If there was indeed a 'regime change' by America--which I don't think it was--then my great thanks to America!

 

[Starlord]

Oh bhai, ye jo hum itnay Operations kar rahay hain in Baluchistan & K-P..., uus may jo itnay Terrorist mar rahay hain wo een ke AmmA maar rahe hain.

Fighting a conventional War and fighting a Gorilla War are two different things which certain retards just won't understand.

Bhai that's mind set is curse on Pakistan, apne Sect ya Race ke liye Pakistan ya even Islam ki Maa behn ker dete hai ese log, Like i said people here are discussing that what if India attack, will KSA/Turkey come, and what do you want them to do? Turkiye can send shipments of ammo/missiles etc, KSA can keep the oil flow, that's all we need.. we have manpower to tackle India, even if you go through Oscar or Panzerkeil detail posts, it always trickle down to Pakistan's lack of resouces, compared to Indians... No one except these Youthiye doubt the will/bravery of PA soldier and his committment to die for his country, give him ammo/missiles/resources they will beat the Indians back to their holes.
But if this Agreement is implemented in its true form, even if it takes few years and it will make Indians think twice to launch any further attacks, after May 2025 beatings, there was a suicide blast in heart of Indian Captial, and yet no war drums were sounded, no war cry or crazy lunatics in war rooms destroying Karachi or capturing Lahore Port, because Indians realized that they can not fight Pakistan without things escalating to a point of no return, that limited clash suits Pakistan more than it suits India, we can concentrate our fire power for limited time and limited area, India rely mostly on its numbers to exhaust Pakistan, with Resources coming from KSA/Turkey (too early to say) that situation can be dealt with Inshallah.

But Youtiyu ke pass demagh hota tu kia hi baat hoti.