Maldives sacks multiple ministers to pacify India

[Pingle]

China will not risk water wars in India's backyard and India will be very happy if they do.

I hope they won't risk that but I think its time we should just withdraw our whatever small number of troops from Maldives and focus on developing lakshdweep....

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

I hope they won't risk that but I think its time we should just withdraw our whatever small number of troops from Maldives and focus on developing lakshdweep....

That is not how thing work, Learn from China who took Hambontota for 99 years.

Even China risks India is ready.

 

[samejjangir]

The Maldives is massively popular with western tourists including film stars etc whose average spend per visit is much higher than a dozen middle class Indian families.
Yes a snub may hurt a bit but can be offset.

The popular Daily Mail had an article on this today;

How A-listers are ditching Dubai because its 'the new Magaluf'

The modern desert metropolis of Dubai has built its flashy reputation as being the go-to destination for celebrities and holidaymakers but its dominance could be ending.

www.dailymail.co.uk

With Dubai now relegated to also ran, many more Hollywood A-listers are flocking to the Maldives attracted by the pristine white beaches and luxury resorts including the Oblu Select Lobigili hotel.

The hotel stretches out to sea and even includes an underwater restaurant - perfect for Instagrams.

Among the most popular of the Maldives' inhabited islands is Maafushi, which offers an abundance of beach bars, restaurants, water sports and snorkelling tours.

Other hotspots on the archipelago include the Conrad Maldives Rangali Island where the Kardashians are known to frequent.

Maldives don't charge extra for Western tourists. The tourists spend similar amounts whether from India or West. So, losing 20% of tourism revenue will be a disaster as their entire GDP is based on tourism. Moreover, Maldives don't have many good hospitals and they have to come to India for medical services. If India decides to impose restrictions on Maldives arrivals or hikes Visa costs, they will be hit badly. There is no viable alternative to the low cost medical treatments given in India.

 

[vsdoc]

India already has enough concessions from BD. You have access to our ports, transit to North East. (with unreasonably low transit fees.)

Enclave was an issue. But wasn't the main issue. Water sharing is. India should have signed the Tista agreement. Instead they played us and said, 'oh we really want to sign it but its all Mamata Banerjee's fault.'

Which of course is a very bad excuse.
And now I am worry what will happen when Ganga treaty will expire in 2026.

In principle, India has a perception problem in BD as a good faith actor. Almost every trade deals seems to be one sided. Not very mutually beneficial.

What usually end up happening is, given the current government is illegitimate, its primary job is to get political support from foreign powers in exchange for (very often) one sides trade agreement. not necessarily to cut a fair and beneficial deal for the country.

billions dollars adani power deal is a recent exmaple. Only reason Hassina gave it to Adani becuase Modi asked her too. And now we have to pay three time extra to buy the same power that we could have gotten from our own powerplants with much less. BD is a very poor country and genuinely cannot afford such political appeasement deals. Thus, for public's perception, it appears that India is exploiting us. And in this case, it is actually very true.

Hence, the problem seems to be with India's BD policy, it is a short term thinking about how can much we get by any mean as long as Hassina is in power. Otherwise, if India's stablishment really wanted a long term state to state relation (independent of whatever party is in power in either countries) based on trust and mutual benefits, Modi should have never pressed for such an extremely unfair deal. (And now we are hearing, the deal could be even legally void)

What will end up happening in the future is, anytime the illegal government slipps from power the next government will be very cautious and distrustful of India and understandably so based on previous experience of exploitation, and may even try decoupling on some fronts.

In short, India foreign policy fails to capitalize on good opportunities when it's there, yet jump on short term bad opportunities and extend itself too much.

And right now India cannot even fully trust Hassina, because economy is going more and more in the gutter and she is becoming isolated as US ramp up its pressure gradually, yet India cannot do much to help her. So, she already started to lean more and more guess where? Where the power and money is, and It's PRC. She seems to realise if USA and west goes all in, only PRC will be able to provide her with political and economic shelter to the extent that she needs.
So don't be too surprised if you see another submarine deal. (This time good ones)

Good post bro.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Vaqeel]

Here you go- new president was crying 'Get out India', Modi said, ok- aoong with top bollywood celebrities, 1000s of room cancellations, threat to develop Lakshyadeep as alternative destination and immedetaly the top toursim controbutor to the economy just collapsed.

Top govt. officials suspended over derogatory remarks against Modi, India

Top government officials who made derogatory remarks against neighboring India and the nation’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi on social media have been suspended.A row erupted on social media last week, after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi posted a...

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Maldives row: Akshay Kumar, Salman Khan and other celebs ask fans to explore Lakshadweep

After some Maldivian leaders mocked Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Lakshadweep, many celebrities including Akshay Kumar, Salman Khan, Sachin Tendulkar, John Abraham, Shraddha Kapoor and others took to their social media handles urging fellow Indians to plan Lakshadweep trip with a...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

What's the big deal?

Pakistan sacked it's sitting Prime Minister to pacify USA!!!

 

[Vox Non Dei]

The dragon will consume whomever we soak in kerosene and push into his way. Is that sensible? Who talks sense to these bunny rabbits prancing around wanting war?

I am sorry to say Joe, but you are absolutely WRONG here.

Even if there was ZERO presence of Indian troops in Maldives, EVEN if India was making its entire cabinet Muslim, making Islam one true religion of the country, EVEN if India were sending all its troops to die fighting US and Israel in Gaza, EVEN if India were to hang and kill every non Muslim in India, STILL Maldives will absolutely hate India. To the highest order of hatred.

Why? Because it PAYS to hate India. It wins elections. It gets paid by likes of China, UK and USA.

You can not use goodwill because other party is going to use lies. No one remembers truth and facts because lies sell faster.

You do know that guy Muizzu? His campaign was entirely based on two words "India Out". He was telling his voters that there are 1000s of Indian soldiers building 10s of bases in Maldives. Now he can not find them once he is elected.

So no matter who is on the helm, this show will go on. And no amount of friendly policy will endear you to these smaller neighbouring countries. India should better learn to keep a purely transactional relations with these. You want to make partners? Find equals. There a partnership can be forged. You try to forge friendship and partnership with these countries, they will always see that they are being taken advantage of and lies from others will fan it.

Look at what USA does. Or Russia does. When you are an elephant, you have to live like elephant.

 

[vsdoc]

Have you a single example of this bunch of knock-kneed khaki shorts taking a stand? Outside wherever they could gather a mob, or use the police to bulldoze people's houses?

Dark brown trousers.

Cheers, Doc

 

[pikkuboss]

I am sorry to say Joe, but you are absolutely WRONG here.

Even if there was ZERO presence of Indian troops in Maldives, EVEN if India was making its entire cabinet Muslim, making Islam one true religion of the country, EVEN if India were sending all its troops to die fighting US and Israel in Gaza, EVEN if India were to hang and kill every non Muslim in India, STILL Maldives will absolutely hate India. To the highest order of hatred.

Why? Because it PAYS to hate India. It wins elections. It gets paid by likes of China, UK and USA.

You can not use goodwill because other party is going to use lies. No one remembers truth and facts because lies sell faster.

You do know that guy Muizzu? His campaign was entirely based on two words "India Out". He was telling his voters that there are 1000s of Indian soldiers building 10s of bases in Maldives. Now he can not find them once he is elected.

So no matter who is on the helm, this show will go on. And no amount of friendly policy will endear you to these smaller neighbouring countries. India should better learn to keep a purely transactional relations with these. You want to make partners? Find equals. There a partnership can be forged. You try to forge friendship and partnership with these countries, they will always see that they are being taken advantage of and lies from others will fan it.

Look at what USA does. Or Russia does. When you are an elephant, you have to live like elephant.

It's happening. The elephant is acting elephant again. I don't know what the implications will be but Modi sees it to the end and he is much more cunning than we may think. Let's instill fear in them. Fear gives better results than humanitarian assistance.

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[Waz]

Maldives don't charge extra for Western tourists. The tourists spend similar amounts whether from India or West. So, losing 20% of tourism revenue will be a disaster as their entire GDP is based on tourism. Moreover, Maldives don't have many good hospitals and they have to come to India for medical services. If India decides to impose restrictions on Maldives arrivals or hikes Visa costs, they will be hit badly. There is no viable alternative to the low cost medical treatments given in India.

Goodness me they spend more, of course they don't get charged more. That 20% can be replaced and I've put up links showing its surge among higher spending tourists.
The rest is accurate, but necessity can force them to change as well i.e. build hospitals to cater for their needs.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

The dragon will consume whomever we soak in kerosene and push into his way. Is that sensible? Who talks sense to these bunny rabbits prancing around wanting war?

Drangon will consume no matter what you do because it has more money. Its a weird thing to believe that by being nice the other party will not look for its benefit -- no matter how short term they are.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

It's happening. The elephant is acting elephant again. I don't know what the implications will be but Modi sees it to the end and he is much more cunning than we may think. Let's instill fear in them. Fear gives better results than humanitarian assistance.

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Is there any other source than Times Algebra? I find it quite a bit sketchy.

Update : https://www.cnbctv18.com/india/boyc...of-commerce-urges-tour-operators-18744441.htm

Apparently it is. Though ICC is not really a body that can force these businesses.

 

[kambhakt]

India already has enough concessions from BD. You have access to our ports, transit to North East. (with unreasonably low transit fees.)

Enclave was an issue. But wasn't the main issue. Water sharing is. India should have signed the Tista agreement. Instead they played us and said, 'oh we really want to sign it but its all Mamata Banerjee's fault.'

Which of course is a very bad excuse.
And now I am worry what will happen when Ganga treaty will expire in 2026.

In principle, India has a perception problem in BD as a good faith actor. Almost every trade deals seems to be one sided. Not very mutually beneficial.

What usually end up happening is, given the current government is illegitimate, its primary job is to get political support from foreign powers in exchange for (very often) one sides trade agreement. not necessarily to cut a fair and beneficial deal for the country.

billions dollars adani power deal is a recent exmaple. Only reason Hassina gave it to Adani becuase Modi asked her too. And now we have to pay three time extra to buy the same power that we could have gotten from our own powerplants with much less. BD is a very poor country and genuinely cannot afford such political appeasement deals. Thus, for public's perception, it appears that India is exploiting us. And in this case, it is actually very true.

Hence, the problem seems to be with India's BD policy, it is a short term thinking about how can much we get by any mean as long as Hassina is in power. Otherwise, if India's stablishment really wanted a long term state to state relation (independent of whatever party is in power in either countries) based on trust and mutual benefits, Modi should have never pressed for such an extremely unfair deal. (And now we are hearing, the deal could be even legally void)

What will end up happening in the future is, anytime the illegal government slipps from power the next government will be very cautious and distrustful of India and understandably so based on previous experience of exploitation, and may even try decoupling on some fronts.

In short, India foreign policy fails to capitalize on good opportunities when it's there, yet jump on short term bad opportunities and extend itself too much.

And right now India cannot even fully trust Hassina, because economy is going more and more in the gutter and she is becoming isolated as US ramp up its pressure gradually, yet India cannot do much to help her. So, she already started to lean more and more guess where? Where the power and money is, and It's PRC. She seems to realise if USA and west goes all in, only PRC will be able to provide her with political and economic shelter to the extent that she needs.
So don't be too surprised if you see another submarine deal. (This time good ones)

Its good to get a perspective from the other side.

 

[Waz]

We both understand that artificial organs can only keep you alive for a very short time and they cost a lot, Maldives can keep importing costly stuff from food to medicines, but for how long is the question.
Well you can help them too...

If their politicians have good sense they will develop their own facilities or rely on nearby neighbors which many nations do without repercussions, which you're threatening.
I already do help them, see one of my previous posts. How are you going to punish them? Through your posting?

 

[samejjangir]

Goodness me they spend more, of course they don't get charged more. That 20% can be replaced and I've put up links showing its surge among higher spending tourists.
The rest is accurate, but necessity can force them to change as well i.e. build hospitals to cater for their needs.

Maldves gets 20% tourists from India, 20% from Russia and 18% from China. UK has 17% and remaining are 25%. Russia, China tourists are not ones who splurge like the westerners as their currency exchange rate is not high and their countries tend to have cheaper goods and services than what they get in Maldives. So, losing 20% revenues will be a massive loss. Moreover if Lakshadweep is developed Russian and some of the western tourists will also come there instead of Maldives as they can access many more tourist locations in India in addition to islands with the single Indian VISA.

Maldives has 4-5lakh population. It is not a single piece of land but a series of islands with no road connectivity. It does not have any manufacturing or agriculture. Even electricity generation is done on Diesel generators (extremely expensive). There is nothing Maldives can do about getting goods and medical services, No other country nearby has even remotely comparable prices. Cost of living will simply double or get even worse without supplies from India.

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

I guess things have started rolling.

Two Taj resorts coming up.

TATA Group to Make 2 Taj Branded Resorts in Lakshadweep- Republic World

Indian Hotels Company (IHCL), part of the Tata Group's hospitality arm, has recently inked deals for 2 Taj-branded resorts on the islands of Suheli and Kadmat.

www.republicworld.com