Mirage III / V of Pakistan Air Force

[AeronautIR]

Thank you for your time and reply. Will we consider

What we will use for air to ground operation? i mean as a bomber? JF? It has a very less maximum weapons payload.

With stand-off weapons, we have used JF successfully for ground attack... Mirages were replaced in all surface attack and maritime roles by Thunder...
With formation of Army Rocket Force and stealth cruise missiles like Fateh-4, we don't need a heavy bomber because the vulnerability of Su-34 and other attack aircraft in Russo-Ukraine war against modern SAMs is evident.

 

[AeronautIR]

Isn’t this thread for Mirages?

Yes, you are right.

 

[ghazi52]

 

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[Ibbi32]

Not saying they are useless, but there is an opportunity cost of manpower and resources in operating 20 odd obsolete PGs

F-7PGs are still somewhat capable and if only to to train pilots it’s enough to keep them in operation . But they need to be replaced before the mirages because mirages still have a use as bomb trucks that f-7s simply can’t fulfill. We need to replace f-7s as soon as possible and try to sell them to sri lanka and bangladesh for cheap to create more problems for india

 

[AeronautIR]

F-7PGs are still somewhat capable and if only to to train pilots it’s enough to keep them in operation . But they need to be replaced before the mirages because mirages still have a use as bomb trucks that f-7s simply can’t fulfill. We need to replace f-7s as soon as possible and try to sell them to sri lanka and bangladesh for cheap to create more problems for india

I think Mirage will go before PG... let's see

 

[kimjongun]

With stand-off weapons, we have used JF successfully for ground attack... Mirages were replaced in all surface attack and maritime roles by Thunder...
With formation of Army Rocket Force and stealth cruise missiles like Fateh-4, we don't need a heavy bomber because the vulnerability of Su-34 and other attack aircraft in Russo-Ukraine war against modern SAMs is evident.

Stealth cruise missiles like fatah 4 LMAO
And what stand off weapons except some REKs? and the image of the jeff flying with a raad 2..no test vids but we can only dream...Our even MLRS like the fatah 1 lack accuracy in high ECM or AD environments.
IMO our approach was wrong in developing the fatah 1 as 140km straight before developing a lesser range variant with better accuracy..we could have just modernized the nasr and used it for conventional role.

 

[AeronautIR]

Stealth cruise missiles like fatah 4 LMAO
And what stand off weapons except some REKs? and the image of the jeff flying with a raad 2..no test vids but we can only dream...Our even MLRS like the fatah 1 lack accuracy in high ECM or AD environments.
IMO our approach was wrong in developing the fatah 1 as 140km straight before developing a lesser range variant with better accuracy..we could have just modernized the nasr and used it for conventional role.

With all your laughing, I can't tell if the question is serious or rhetorical. I mean, surely you know JF carries weapons other than REK, right?

 

[kimjongun]

With all your laughing, I can't tell if the question is serious or rhetorical. I mean, surely you know JF carries weapons other than REK, right?

There is basically 3 sows the jeff carry that is the cm400akg,raad2(limited evidence) and the cm302..
My concern is that why are we investing in bvr combat so much..like its a good strategy but since the AD bubble is increasingly getting denser along the LOC and india making continuous efforts to get longer range missiles for how long will our jets be surviving?(correct me if im wrong )
IAF has a big arsenal in terms of A2G SOWs..SPICE,HAMMER(israeli),SCALP EG,RUDRAM,SAAW and the airlaunched brahmos...im not counting the landbased brahmos batteries of IAF...we had no response for indian sow except the set of cm400akg..Now if someone says PAF was storing the taimoor for another time like what could have been a better time to test the raad/taimoor?

 

[AeronautIR]

There is basically 3 sows the jeff carry that is the cm400akg,raad2(limited evidence) and the cm302..
My concern is that why are we investing in bvr combat so much..like its a good strategy but since the AD bubble is increasingly getting denser along the LOC and india making continuous efforts to get longer range missiles for how long will our jets be surviving?(correct me if im wrong )
IAF has a big arsenal in terms of A2G SOWs..SPICE,HAMMER(israeli),SCALP EG,RUDRAM,SAAW and the airlaunched brahmos...im not counting the landbased brahmos batteries of IAF...we had no response for indian sow except the set of cm400akg..Now if someone says PAF was storing the taimoor for another time like what could have been a better time to test the raad/taimoor?

You must be literally the 10th person to share this concern... the problem lies in believing PAF claims which many don't, unless they see any evidence like satellite photos... now, because I don't doubt those claims, so I am not worried about the surface attack role of PAF.
Moreover, except Brahmos and SCALP-EG, IAF lost aircraft while using those other weapons you mentioned. For ALCMs, we are acquiring SHORADS and our interception rate will be much better with improvement in our layered IADS.
Apart from S-400, they don't have any long range missile, especially BVR, and though ACM AP Singh claims multiple kills, we know PAF didn't lose any aircraft. Again, I am not trying to convince you but just trying to explain why we are thinking differently due to our acceptance or rejection of the claimed damage.

 

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