Naqvi urges 'all political parties' to settle issue of more provinces, says current 'system' has collapsed

[HAIDER]

Pakistan’s debate over creating new provinces has resurfaced after Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi called for new administrative units, while an unverified map circulating on social media has added fresh momentum to the discussion.

The viral map, which has not been endorsed by any government official, depicts Pakistan’s four provinces divided into 18 administrative units.

New provinces debate resurfaces as viral map fuels speculation

Constitution allows creation of new provinces, but only through broad political consensus and constitutional amendment

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[HAIDER]

bhai ji ...assi logaan aik oo naraa lanaya ...Kashmir bansi Inglistan

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

No freedom right.

 

[HAIDER]

No freedom right.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Sindhudesh will be landlocked as anything south of Hyderabad will become Jinnahpur. Khosh ke nakhun lo

 

[Psyko70]

No freedom right.

As a Sindhi Most people I know from my community know the Jeay sindh and their views are pathetic and pointless. having sindh as separate nation is most stupid thing to do.

I dont want to discuss anything on this thread as there are sane posters giving right views. But this sindhudesh stuff comes from people speaking my language so that is why I have posted.

 

[Trailer23]

Talks of cults aside - it boils down to trust. If Asim Munir told me I'd be getting £1000 a month into my account just for existing - I'd be worried what the catch was.

Often who says something matters as much as what they say. Look at the current dictatorship - do they have a positive track record for anything at all other than holding up a certain pair of golden/tan orange globes?

A broken clock is right twice a day but I'm never going to assume the instance I'm looking at it, it's showing the correct time.

I'm a PTI supporter, for me IK was the best of a bad bunch, but at a macro level - that's not really saying much.

On the topic of more provinces, I think it'd be a good idea, if it's coupled with greater power to local government. Take Karachi for example. If the Mayor of Karachi was someone with the legislative power and the funds to fix Karachi a infrastructure problem - and I elected him, after 5 years I could hold him to account for failures with my vote.

If he can blame Sindh govt and claim that x territory is under federal control and Y is under provincial control and Z is controlled by Navy etc - how can I really expect anything? I'm fatigued living my life - as a voter how am I supposed to navigate the excuses and spiderweb of power and influence? Is my man actually hard done by or is he incompetent? Does my party need to be in control federally, provincially and locally for him to be effective?

I know sweet FA about Karachi, I'm just using it as an example as its a mess.

My point - more provinces with power devolved to local government AND a lean form of government - will probably help.

Do I trust the current administration to deliver that? No.

You threw a lot 'IFs' back there, my good man.

You also said that IK was the best of the bad bunch. Perhaps & debatable - but is it because he didn't get the chance to hang around long enough or been presented with a second chance. Who knows if he too would fit the bill just like the Sharifs & Zardaris.

Lets not kid ourselves. Project Imran was an Establishment experiment. Calling it a Failed Experiment is matter of opinion. Khan may of been charismatic, popular and (maybe) honest..., but he certainly wasn't a politician by a long shot.

How many PTI fanboys can defend the whole Usman Buzdar fiasco?

Even if one were to 'nazar adaz' that f#*k up, every Politician (around the World) knows that you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Which brings me back to Project Imran. Only a qualified f#*king idiot would believe that IK/PTI won the General Elections back in 2017. When was there ever a 'saaf & shifaf' elections in Pakistan?

Baqi sub Form 47 pay jeetey hain, par PTI khood jeeti hai. Kya baat hai.

I'll end my point with this... (If) Imran Khan ever got the chance to return, I assure you that he will NOT (dare) to make the same mistakes (f-ups) as he did in 2021-22.

Next time - achay bachay ke tara, chup-chaap wo karey ga jo aaj Showbaaz Sherif kar raha hai.

THAT: is the Pakistan way - make what you want of it ...

 

[Oscar]

[MashahAllah]

Oscar, you truly have the ability to present facts that most of us know, want to say - but are unable to put them out in such detail.

That being said..., since we're on the Topic of the GREAT Leader..., (apparently) the GREAT Leader himself was (once) in favor of having more provinces.

PPP is currently against it. CM Sindh Murad Ali Shah & Sherry Rehman have already given the Party's response/view.

PML-N have been quite. Not a peep. Although, that didn't stop Rana Sanaullah from taking a swipe at Mohsin Naqvi - someone who took his old position from him.

This actually might be the golden oppertunity for PTI to become relevant (again).

I swear upon Al' Mighty..., agar aaj IK ka statement agaya kay mazeed aur Provinces honay chye hain... You will see all his...(correction: HIS) cult followers in favor of more Provinces.

I can almost guarantee that all the PTI-IK followers that are against this system, will change their tune as soon as the Order comes from himself.

Some very interesting details. And if Mansoor Ali Khan is covering it, you know he's getting all the information from somewhere.

Like him or hate him ..., his Channel's content is always close 99% true.

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Great leader does U-turns as needed.
But the problem is that in this case the two fiefdoms of Nawaz and Zardari will happily create insurgencies and destroy Pakistan before they EVER GIVE UP CONTROL Punjab or Sindh.

And unfortunately, they have enough relationships and also levers to pull on ANYONE who sits in Army house and elsewhere to make them back down on any such revolutionary ideas... including having them push Great leader back as well.

My read is KP is likely to be more open to devolution than ANY other province barring urban locales like Karachi and Lahore - and Balochistan might do so as well.
But Sindh is Zardari's kingdom - and the Sharif's just "retook" Punjab... over their dead bodies is the only way this happens.

 

[Jango]

There is nothing wrong with the idea - except -


We know what Naqvi is paraphrasing from...

And the problem with that is that it was never illogical even when Musharraf tried it.

Problem is the uncles proposing find out that this section of the established political system will never let go of their fiefdoms and they start getting nervous about their legitimacy when these Goonies, Jiyalas and Diesel carries say - "you do this and we will expose you and make your lives hell"... and this makes the relatives in wardi of this ghunda gardi also start pushing internally...

So all good ideas also die on the same hill they died before

Again
and Again
And again

True, but even this idea, as it stands is doomed to fail from the start.

The problem of Pakistan is not a large province. The only argument you can make for it is just for Punjab.

We need to overhaul the bureaucratic system, the British DC is woefully inadequate. But entrenched powers won't let that happen.

Then the politicians might create new provinces, but they won't let go of central power concetration. Heck, more provinces are even better...now Hamza can get to be Chief Minister and get a jet too.

This is a convenient cop out when the estab knows shit is hitting the fan. Put it on the politicians. N is already squealing, rumors of IK being talked to, Mohsin Naqvi PM with no President.

And everyone is so shamelessly talking about democracy and laws and consititution, no less the EME officer pretending to be Goebbels. His statement about rights is an outright joke,

 

[Oscar]

True, but even this idea, as it stands is doomed to fail from the start.

The problem of Pakistan is not a large province. The only argument you can make for it is just for Punjab.

We need to overhaul the bureaucratic system, the British DC is woefully inadequate. But entrenched powers won't let that happen.

Then the politicians might create new provinces, but they won't let go of central power concetration. Heck, more provinces are even better...now Hamza can get to be Chief Minister and get a jet too.

This is a convenient cop out when the estab knows shit is hitting the fan. Put it on the politicians. N is already squealing, rumors of IK being talked to, Mohsin Naqvi PM with no President.

And everyone is so shamelessly talking about democracy and laws and consititution, no less the EME officer pretending to be Goebbels. His statement about rights is an outright joke,

Which is why the issue has to be reforms within the Army that unless implemented cannot change anything else.

You fix the mess by improving & adapting the one thing that (regardless of how) is still in working condition.

Only then cant he rest be fixed.

Otherwise. We can all lament together and keep looking for messiahs.

 

[Jango]

You fix the mess by improving & adapting the one thing that (regardless of how) is still in working condition.

How?

Easier said than done. That one thing is not willing to adapt and improve, we have a cabal of yes men.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Wake me up when someone in these countries can say this and live for next day

No freedom right.

Yes, and the second one is actually illegal....

Advocating an independent Sindh is 123-A PPC, condemning the creation of Pakistan and advocating abolition of its sovereignty..... Ten years. Sindh is Pakistan, so the section lands...

Which is what makes your AJK clip a strange exhibit.... AJK does not run the PPC... It runs the Azad Penal Code, and nobody there gets booked under 123-A.... AJK charges 124-A, ordinary sedition, disaffection towards the government of the day.....

So the "free speech" you waved at the Freedom House rankings turns out to be footage from the one jurisdiction where the law criminalising advocacy against Pakistan's sovereignty does not even apply.... Try again.

 

[mythbuster]

Great leader does U-turns as needed.
But the problem is that in this case the two fiefdoms of Nawaz and Zardari will happily create insurgencies and destroy Pakistan before they EVER GIVE UP CONTROL Punjab or Sindh.

And unfortunately, they have enough relationships and also levers to pull on ANYONE who sits in Army house and elsewhere to make them back down on any such revolutionary ideas... including having them push Great leader back as well.

My read is KP is likely to be more open to devolution than ANY other province barring urban locales like Karachi and Lahore - and Balochistan might do so as well.
But Sindh is Zardari's kingdom - and the Sharif's just "retook" Punjab... over their dead bodies is the only way this happens.

You are underestimating the grit of Asim Munir , he is no ab ki mar bhaya Mushy .... zardari and nawaz tubar have no choice but to toe the line , otherwise , they will be skinned alive...both zardari and nawaz were given an opportunity to atone for their sins and they ain't getting another opportunity.... Pakistan is on track to become something couple of notches above hard state ...new provinces will be formed along with purge in bureaucracy....fear of getting ostracized by the west in case of martial law is gone.

 

[Oscar]

How?

Easier said than done. That one thing is not willing to adapt and improve, we have a cabal of yes men.

Not all yes men are yes for the same reasons.
Either way, that is the only way reform happens.

ALL other avenues have bought naught.

 

[Owaiz]

You are underestimating the grit of Asim Munir , he is no ab ki mar bhaya Mushy

Are you suggesting the cowbody commando Musharraf who carried out the Kargil operation under the nose of a genuinely popularly elected PM and carried out of a coup against him from an aircraft on the verge of running out of fuel lacked grit ? Munir is no different than Ayub, Yahya, Zia and Musharraf and his ultimate fate will be no different.

fear of getting ostracized by the west in case of martial law is gone.

Martial law will almost certainly mean loss of GSP+ in Europe and other financial sanctions. The finances of the state will completely collapse if that happens. The fauj is carrying the burden of the "hybrid" system facade on its shoulder only to retain some international legitimacy.