:: OMG - The Indian Air Force is coming ::

[Mobius]

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[Yasser76]

why 42 Sqd is manadate? Did you understand? care to explain pls

even PAF is flying 1970s' mirage and mig 21 verion (including chinese force are flying)- i didnt bring those, please..

No, but that is the difference, i do not pretend to understand, and you do. I can only assume the IAF knows what it needs, if not maybe it is as incompetent as many think

Difference is with every passing year PAF Mirage/F-7 fleet is getting smaller and smaller being replaced. Only one F-7PG Frontline unit left, same cannot be said of IAF....

 

[Quwa]

No wet dreams just seen flight global air forces no's posted by your brethren.
Pakistan still has 159 mirage 3/5
72 F7
Only 20 j10
Only 44 F16

Shocked how obselete the fleet is

The Indian no's spot on
36 Rafales
31 Tejas
260 su30mki
120 Jaguar
65 mig 29+40 navy mig29
29 mig21

You won't last one week with out china

Flight Global separates the single-seat and dual-seat numbers:

Here are the single-seat numbers (which you referenced)...



Here are the dual-seat numbers (from the same source)...

So, according to the source you referenced, the PAF has:

75 F-16s
146 JF-17s
18 J-10CEs (with 7 more on order)
179 Mirage III/5s

 

[Broghil]

Its a defence forum, so it's to be expected? we were simulating a wargame with 2 teams on the old PDF.

And if I remember correctly indian members were having a hard time believing that entire MKI package attacking Karachi was wiped out.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

No, but that is the difference, i do not pretend to understand, and you do. I can only assume the IAF knows what it needs, if not maybe it is as incompetent as many think

Difference is with every passing year PAF Mirage/F-7 fleet is getting smaller and smaller being replaced. Only one F-7PG Frontline unit left, same cannot be said of IAF....

No, but that is the difference, i do not pretend to understand, and you do. I can only assume the IAF knows what it needs, if not maybe it is as incompetent as many think.
Thank you for acknowledging. I hope you first understand the situation thoroughly before making claims about whether the IAF is in trouble and on what basis its requirements are defined for 42 suardern.

Difference is with every passing year PAF Mirage/F-7 fleet is getting smaller and smaller being replaced. Only one F-7PG Frontline unit left, same cannot be said of IAF....

Even the MiG-21 is still part of the IAF, though only around 50 remain, as they are gradually being phased out.

As for the Jaguar, it isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, as India doesn’t have dedicated bombers. Sometimes, such fighters are needed to maintain fleet numbers. For example, the Chinese Air Force still operates aircrafts like the J-7 and J-8 etc.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Pakistan Space Agency

It's already been nearly 6-years since Hindustan last received a beating from Pakistan

And within 6 months of that beating, India "annexed" Kashmir and your beloved PM was unable to do anything about it.

Regards

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

@Pakistan Space Agency

It's already been nearly 6-years since Hindustan last received a beating from Pakistan

And within 6 months of that beating, India "annexed" Kashmir and your beloved PM was unable to do anything about it.

Regards

That is so true.

When Cartoon-e-Azam Imran Khan was questioned in the Parliament, he said, "What shall I do? Go to War?"

Duh.

 

[Reichmarshal]

no F7 is operated by PAF at this point in time.....only one sqd of FT 7.
PAF does operate F 7 PG which will be retired once all non rose mirages are retired.

 

[Ak01]

No, but that is the difference, i do not pretend to understand, and you do. I can only assume the IAF knows what it needs, if not maybe it is as incompetent as many think.
Thank you for acknowledging. I hope you first understand the situation thoroughly before making claims about whether the IAF is in trouble and on what basis its requirements are defined for 42 suardern.

Difference is with every passing year PAF Mirage/F-7 fleet is getting smaller and smaller being replaced. Only one F-7PG Frontline unit left, same cannot be said of IAF....

Even the MiG-21 is still part of the IAF, though only around 50 remain, as they are gradually being phased out.

As for the Jaguar, it isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, as India doesn’t have dedicated bombers. Sometimes, such fighters are needed to maintain fleet numbers. For example, the Chinese Air Force still operates aircrafts like the J-7 and J-8 etc.

i believe its likely less about maintaining fleet numbers, rather, pilot skills. Im a pilot myself. After being on the ground for extended periods of time, i notice my skills fading away, its important to keep flying to stay sharp and on top of your game.

What is the current fleet numbers for the IAF- flightglobal/wiki etc are never accurate.

Im not sure where this conversation started, nor am i interested in a shitflinging match.

For the PAF, we have a clear roadmap-
The remaning few dozen mirages were moved to a single, dedicated strike squadron, which i dont think will be going anywhere for a while, as while the airframes themselves may be old, they bring quite significant value for us, many people fail to understand their purpose. The Mirages are our B52's. They will stay until there is an adequate replacement (NGFA) that is being fielded in solid numbers.

In terms of F-7's, i believe none remain, F-7PG's are still around, but i dont believe theyre taking on any real frontline duty, rather, their main purpose is probably more likely to be keeping the pilots sharp, they will either receive JF-17 Block 2's while the current JF-17 squadrons get equipped with Block 3's.

For the IAF- we have MMRCA, whats the situation with this, what will it replace, whats the projected numbers etc. How many aircraft need to be replaced and what, and when are they aimed to be replaced by?

 

[Ak01]

No wet dreams just seen flight global air forces no's posted by your brethren.
Pakistan still has 159 mirage 3/5
72 F7
Only 20 j10
Only 44 F16

Shocked how obselete the fleet is

The Indian no's spot on
36 Rafales
31 Tejas
260 su30mki
120 Jaguar
65 mig 29+40 navy mig29
29 mig21

You won't last one week with out china

flight global is inaccurate. You might be even more shocked to find out that there are
75 F-16, of which i believe barring a handful, are all MLU Block 52/+ aircraft.
0 F7's
20 J10 batch 1
nearly 200 JF-17 block 1/2/3.
Of which block 1's will be replaced by new build aircraft within the next decade or two, block 2's will be OCU'ed and block 3's will continue to be inducted.
1 squadron of F-7PG
1 Squadron of Mirages ( a large squadron) for strike.

Still shocked

 

[Reichmarshal]

2 sqd F 7 PG along with CCS ac.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

i believe its likely less about maintaining fleet numbers, rather, pilot skills. Im a pilot myself. After being on the ground for extended periods of time, i notice my skills fading away, its important to keep flying to stay sharp and on top of your game.

What is the current fleet numbers for the IAF- flightglobal/wiki etc are never accurate.

Im not sure where this conversation started, nor am i interested in a shitflinging match.

For the PAF, we have a clear roadmap-
The remaning few dozen mirages were moved to a single, dedicated strike squadron, which i dont think will be going anywhere for a while, as while the airframes themselves may be old, they bring quite significant value for us, many people fail to understand their purpose. The Mirages are our B52's. They will stay until there is an adequate replacement (NGFA) that is being fielded in solid numbers.

In terms of F-7's, i believe none remain, F-7PG's are still around, but i dont believe theyre taking on any real frontline duty, rather, their main purpose is probably more likely to be keeping the pilots sharp, they will either receive JF-17 Block 2's while the current JF-17 squadrons get equipped with Block 3's.

For the IAF- we have MMRCA, whats the situation with this, what will it replace, whats the projected numbers etc. How many aircraft need to be replaced and what, and when are they aimed to be replaced by?

The overall summary is that he claimed the IAF is currently in a mess.

My question was: from what perspective was he making this claim? He was referring to the need for 42 squadrons.

So, I asked: why does the IAF need 42 squadrons? What is their purpose, and why are they required?
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Frankly, when I look at the IAF operating with 30 squadrons, I’m not overly concerned. The real challenge would arise only in the event of a two-front war—and I don’t believe that’s happening anytime soon.

MMRCA
As you mentioned, India needs to finalise the MMRCA deal. For now, we require 4.5-generation fighter planes in the medium category as 5th-generation planes are gradually being inducted by chinese force.

I strongly believe that most fighter pilots in the world would be confident flying 4.5-generation fighters in controlled environments, even against 5th-generation planes. To counter China’s 5th- or 4th-generation aircraft and to defend our skies, India needs at least 100 fighter planes under the MMRCA program.... most liekly rafale will be ordered.

But add to that: IN is getting 24 Rafale M fighter planes between.
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The MMRCA should ideally be the last imported fighter program—except if an offer for the F-35 comes along. As I’ve followed, the Indian government is not keen on importing fighters anymore, delays in local aircraft production and, in turn, challenges for the IAF.

That said, if HAL begins delivering the Tejas Mk1A by the end of this year, it will primarily serve in an interceptor role. and approximately 100 fighters will be produced.

The HAL Tejas Mk2 will be a critical project as it is set to replace multiple aging fighters and will likely be produced in large numbers, starting around 2028-29.

As for the AMCA, it is expected to be operational by 2035.
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In my personal opinion, the IAF should finalize a deal for 120 Rafales or Boeing F-15EX Eagle II with localized production. Producing these alongside the HAL Tejas Mk1A and ensuring deliveries are completed by 2029-30 would be an ideal scenario for the IAF.

From 2029 onwards, the focus could shift to acquiring and inducting the HAL Tejas Mk2, which would replace older fleets and strengthen numbers.

Meanwhile, if an opportunity arises to procure 36 F-35s from the USA, it would further enhance capabilities and bolster the IAF’s strategic edge.

 

[Cookie Monster]

@Pakistan Space Agency

It's already been nearly 6-years since Hindustan last received a beating from Pakistan

And within 6 months of that beating, India "annexed" Kashmir and your beloved PM was unable to do anything about it.

Regards

Changing some laws internally…to change the status of a territory India already controlled? That’s like losing a boxing match in the ring…then coming home and beating up ur wife…and declaring victory

 

[Cookie Monster]

The Mirage 2000 has a history of successfully shooot down F-16 fighter in combat. Moreover, if I’m not mistaken, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) does not possess the complete fleet of Block 52 F-16s.

On another note, I didn’t watch the simulation , but bombing along borders tends to be a relatively straightforward task. Neither the PAF nor the Indian Air Force (IAF) have been able and ability to prevent one another’s operations in such scenarios.

The dynamics of warfare have significantly evolved since the 1960s and 1970s. Success now depends on a multitude of factors, with careful planning and effective execution being critical to achieving superiority.

The above “simulation” is nothing but a wet dream. Su30 MKI equipped with ALBM…trying to be sneaky?
Su30 MKI has a massive RCS…and if it carried ALBMs…it would make the RCS even larger. Pakistan has decent ground radar coverage…so that scenario of Su30MKI with ALBMs falls flat on its face. They will be quickly detected and PAF would be airborne ready to strike those Su30MKIs down.

Mirage 2000s flying low might stand a chance for an intrusion in Pakistan’s airspace…but I don’t recall IAF having ALBMs integrated on Mirage 2000s. If anyone here knows anything about it…do share.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

The above “simulation” is nothing but a wet dream. Su30 MKI equipped with ALBM…trying to be sneaky?
Su30 MKI has a massive RCS…and if it carried ALBMs…it would make the RCS even larger. Pakistan has decent ground radar coverage…so that scenario of Su30MKI with ALBMs falls flat on its face. They will be quickly detected and PAF would be airborne ready to strike those Su30MKIs down.

Mirage 2000s flying low might stand a chance for an intrusion in Pakistan’s airspace…but I don’t recall IAF having ALBMs integrated on Mirage 2000s. If anyone here knows anything about it…do share.

When China conducted simulation wars against the USA, were those merely “wet dreams”? Please understand the fundamentals of simulation war games; no one claim that it will get get 100% success.

As for the extensive use of the Su family (coped J version)by China and heavy aircraft like the F-15 by other air forces—do you know why these aircraft are so widely utilized?

The Su-30MKI, once upgraded with an AESA radar and the Astra missile with a range of 160+ km, will address most of the challenges faced today. The Su-30MKI is a versatile and highly capable multirole fighter, and its relevance in the Indian Air Force (IAF) is expected to remain significant even beyond 2050.

Similarly, at present, I don’t see the PAF having any advantage over the IAF in terms of fighter planes. The only area where the PAF holds an edge is with its AWACS fleet.