Operation Azm-e-Istehkam | آپریشن عزم استحکام

[Signalian]

This unilateral change of agenda behind closed doors every 15 minutes since 2001 is the reason why we are here today. Bas Taliban Khan Taliban Khan ki blame game krwa lo.

So you don't know, just as I thought. Abhi kisi aur thread mein mein Taliban Khan ko mention karunga, wahan bhi usko defend karnay pahunch jana.

Taliban Khan had plans about TTP, but those were not working out. The new Govt had one meeting and got to know things wouldn't work out with TTP. Now there are no talks and the war on western front has risen to new level.

Some points to ponder are:
1. should talks be continued once again ?
2. Should war be continued continuously ?
3. At some stage, should TTP be rehabilitated and re-educated to be settled inside Pakistan ?
4. What about the relations of TTP on both sides of border including families ?

These points affect Pakistan.

 

[Signalian]

I love Taliban Khan. Taliban Khan forever!

Wapis Israeli thread mein jayo, unko gaaliyaan do, chalo shabash.

 

[gangsta_rap]

the center is hoarding funds from KP proper now as a political tool.

 

[clutch]

PTI supporters think that TTP will march to Islamabad and free their messiah (more like Pakistan's dajjal) Imran Khan, and bring Tabdeeli.

In reality TTP would behead most PTI supporters for being female or non-pashtun. The remaining PTI supporters will be stoned to death because "democracy is shirk."

Pakistan is a failed banana Republic of Faujistan.

TTP are losers that won't amount to anything. But this so called war against "extremism"... which is it official goal .... is bound to fail! A failed society is a breeding ground for all sorts of "extremist" ideologies.

The writers of this ignoramus Military Operation Azam Istehkaam know this as well... They are not as dumb as some of their blind followers. So why are they doing this?... Easy... It's all about the . A beggar nation needs a begging bowl. Pakistan has always had a beggar bowl... It just needs to be molded again and again to a appease the Western or Chinese donors.

Who suffers?... The nation. The average Pakistani civilians. The (now non-existent) middle-class.

Who benefits? The military Real estate agents and their Green Card Application for their children and retirement.

There will never be any stability or peace. Just perpetual "war against extremism"...


Enjoy!

 

[Lulldapull]

But after the operation more attacks will take place and we will be back to square one, and our government is still not explaining where the previous funds have been spent, and why are they not releasing the development fund for tribal areas as promised. Unfortunately it looks like we will be stuck in this situation for another 20 years, we also have the balochistan militias to deal with.

How come da irani’s have these afghani under total control? They only have a fraction of our terror attacks each year, contingent on the US or Israel orchestrating them no?

And the million dolla question here that why afghani become a doggy in front of iranis but he insults us to no end? And wanna kill our troops?

Do you notice a behavior pattern here?

Last I heard, 13 million afghani/ central haitian bhungi inside Iran being used as cheap labor……under good management…..they dare not fukk wid dem iranis ……how come?

Afghani only kill our people and look down upon us?

Kamal hae no?

 

[clutch]

Wapis Israeli thread mein jayo, unko gaaliyaan do, chalo shabash.

Will do. At least the Zionists fight for their own. Unlike the Pakistani tribal Military mind set.

 

[Shadow]

'Past operations required large-scale displacement of local populations. Currently, there are no no-go areas'

In the wake of opposition shown by majority of political parties in the country, the Prime Minister's Office clarified on Monday that Operation Azm-e-Istehkam, announced recently for sustainable peace and stability, is being misunderstood

The statement from the Prime Minister's Office explained that the operation is being incorrectly compared to previous military operations such as Zarb-e-Azb and Rah-e-Nijat, which targeted no-go areas and regions challenging the state's writ.

"These past operations required large-scale displacement of local populations and a complete eradication of terrorism from affected areas," the statement read. "Currently, there are no such no-go areas in the country."

"These past operations required large-scale displacement of local populations and a complete eradication of terrorism from affected areas," the statement read. "Currently, there are no such no-go areas in the country."

The office emphasised that previous military operations had decisively dismantled the capacity of terrorist organisations to conduct large-scale operations within Pakistan. "There is no consideration for any large-scale military operation that would necessitate population displacement," it added.

Azm-e-Istehkam is described as a multifaceted national vision for sustainable peace and stability, involving collaboration between various security agencies and the entire state apparatus.

"The aim is to reinvigorate the ongoing implementation of the revised National Action Plan, which was initiated with national consensus in the political arena," the statement noted. "The goal is to decisively eliminate the remnants of terrorists, their criminal facilitators, and violent extremism in the country."

The operation will ensure a secure environment conducive to Pakistan's economic development and prosperity, the office stated. It will incorporate political, diplomatic, legal, and informational aspects in addition to the ongoing operations by law enforcement agencies.


"We should all support this positive initiative, launched with collective wisdom and political consensus for national security and stability, while dispelling all misconceptions and ending unnecessary debates on the subject," the statement concluded.

The statement came after resistance to the proposed operation by the PTI-led government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, along with JUI-F, Jamaat-e-Islami, ANP, PkMAP, and others.


They emphasised that the federal government should take Parliament and provincial assemblies into confidence for actions against terrorism and consult all political parties in Pakistan, adding that the operation cannot be supported until its details are clear.

Who will eradicate real cause of terrorism and extremeism... AKA Jahil Waderas, Pirs, chaudries, corrupt politicians, land mafia, bhatta mafia, drug mafia, smugglers and dakoos????
They are a real cancer of our society

 

[Awwad]

Batain karwa lo bus. Karo blame game coz your brain is wired to defend Taliban Khan, it cannot think much further than that for Pakistan.

You wouldn't know why DG ISI went for meeting in Kabul in 2021. The agenda was different than meeting in 2023. That change of agenda is the main point. And Im sure you have no clue of that.

On a serious note, why ISI is so god damn incompetent? Why they are unable to dismantle terror networks till for now about 2 decades ? Why they couldn't had enough sense to advice Musharraf to not let US bomb the shit out of our tribal regions, it would only create hatred and vengeance will be unleashed against Pakistan army. Tribals started jihad when US dropped bombs on funerals killing 100s. Why there was no sensible person in Zia's establishment to guide him and stop him from jihadifiaction & extremism into the country. His religious fanatic ideas laid the foundation for whatever we faced later.

Secondly, one can say argue that ISI is seriously incompetent on security matters because their focus is on political maneuvering But we wonder they are even more incompetent in that too. They put their entire effort to create new parties out of PTI and this time it was at so much intensity that they couldn't hide it too, abducting people for weeks and then pressuring them for press conferences and joining new party, their key people in those new parties, it was rumored that those people like Jahangir tareen, khattak & Aleem and establishment made Khan for what he was LOL! All those dumbest narratives came crashing down as they utterly failed against him. Those new parties with full Military / ISI support collapsed down in rather hilarious fashion. Despite everything, every tactic, & pre-poll rigging, PTI back candidates won overwhelmingly and then army had to do yet another treachery of stealing the nation's mandate. Its one failure after another, they are exposed as never before. If there was even 1% truth & logic that ISI ever had helped PTI then they should have finished it without any effort and their new creations (Tareen's party & Khattaq's) should have been a remarkable success. But look how everything unfolded LOL!

Lastly, don't you think it was a dumb idea to treat the most beloved leader of the nation as enemy? Don't you think it was dumb of current military leadership to go after largest political party for personal reasons or whatever. Don't you think asim munir is the sole reason that has created hatred for army in the hearts of nation. Do you really think IK or Taliban khan according to you is a non-patriot? Do you think he is corrupt? Do you think entire nation is a fool that they loves him & trust him? Why on earth you military fans defend most stupid actions of an individual General (COAS). Why you think entire army has to suffer for one man's actions. A retired General ruining the last remaining repute / respect of organisation for his personal agenda should not be defended. That's sole reason to keep another retired general as head of ISI, another one as head of PAF. This is the game of individuals. A specific mindset people are unwilling to go and let others take place, this game is to save their own skins and keep those out against which they had personal grudges and bias. They care nothing about nation or organisation for that matter. Its all personal. Asim / Nadeem anjum knows they have done some serious crimes against the nation and a largest pol party, they cannot afford them to get in power again, so they will keep waging war and ruining both the nation & the army in this process.

 

[Pradotlc]

the entity creating the arson acting like the fireman.... great

 

[Pradotlc]

On a serious note, why ISI is so god damn incompetent? Why they are unable to dismantle terror networks till for now about 2 decades ? Why they couldn't had enough sense to advice Musharraf to not let US bomb the shit out of our tribal regions, it would only create hatred and vengeance will be unleashed against Pakistan army. Tribals started jihad when US dropped bombs on funerals killing 100s. Why there was no sensible person in Zia's establishment to guide him and stop him from jihadifiaction & extremism into the country. His religious fanatic ideas laid the foundation for whatever we faced later.

Secondly, one can say argue that ISI is seriously incompetent on security matters because their focus is on political maneuvering But we wonder they are even more incompetent in that too. They put their entire effort to create new parties out of PTI and this time it was at so much intensity that they couldn't hide it too, abducting people for weeks and then pressuring them for press conferences and joining new party, their key people in those new parties, it was rumored that those people like Jahangir tareen, khattak & Aleem and establishment made Khan for what he was LOL! All those dumbest narratives came crashing down as they utterly failed against him. Those new parties with full Military / ISI support collapsed down in rather hilarious fashion. Despite everything, every tactic, & pre-poll rigging, PTI back candidates won overwhelmingly and then army had to do yet another treachery of stealing the nation's mandate. Its one failure after another, they are exposed as never before. If there was even 1% truth & logic that ISI ever had helped PTI then they should have finished it without any effort and their new creations (Tareen's party & Khattaq's) should have been a remarkable success. But look how everything unfolded LOL!

Lastly, don't you think it was a dumb idea to treat the most beloved leader of the nation as enemy? Don't you think it was dumb of current military leadership to go after largest political party for personal reasons or whatever. Don't you think asim munir is the sole reason that has created hatred for army in the hearts of nation. Do you really think IK or Taliban khan according to you is a non-patriot? Do you think he is corrupt? Do you think entire nation is a fool that they loves him & trust him? Why on earth you military fans defend most stupid actions of an individual General (COAS). Why you think entire army has to suffer for one man's actions. A retired General ruining the last remaining repute / respect of organisation for his personal agenda should not be defended. That's sole reason to keep another retired general as head of ISI, another one as head of PAF. This is the game of individuals. A specific mindset people are unwilling to go and let others take place, this game is to save their own skins and keep those out against which they had personal grudges and bias. They care nothing about nation or organisation for that matter. Its all personal. Asim / Nadeem anjum knows they have done some serious crimes against the nation and a largest pol party, they cannot afford them to get in power again, so they will keep waging war and ruining both the nation & the army in this process.

We have to accept the fact we as nation are a cess pool of incompetents.... we dont even have proper plumbers..

 

[Signalian]

On a serious note, why ISI is so god damn incompetent? Why they are unable to dismantle terror networks till for now about 2 decades ? Why they couldn't had enough sense to advice Musharraf to not let US bomb the shit out of our tribal regions, it would only create hatred and vengeance will be unleashed against Pakistan army. Tribals started jihad when US dropped bombs on funerals killing 100s. Why there was no sensible person in Zia's establishment to guide him and stop him from jihadifiaction & extremism into the country. His religious fanatic ideas laid the foundation for whatever we faced later.

Secondly, one can say argue that ISI is seriously incompetent on security matters because their focus is on political maneuvering But we wonder they are even more incompetent in that too. They put their entire effort to create new parties out of PTI and this time it was at so much intensity that they couldn't hide it too, abducting people for weeks and then pressuring them for press conferences and joining new party, their key people in those new parties, it was rumored that those people like Jahangir tareen, khattak & Aleem and establishment made Khan for what he was LOL! All those dumbest narratives came crashing down as they utterly failed against him. Those new parties with full Military / ISI support collapsed down in rather hilarious fashion. Despite everything, every tactic, & pre-poll rigging, PTI back candidates won overwhelmingly and then army had to do yet another treachery of stealing the nation's mandate. Its one failure after another, they are exposed as never before. If there was even 1% truth & logic that ISI ever had helped PTI then they should have finished it without any effort and their new creations (Tareen's party & Khattaq's) should have been a remarkable success. But look how everything unfolded LOL!

Lastly, don't you think it was a dumb idea to treat the most beloved leader of the nation as enemy? Don't you think it was dumb of current military leadership to go after largest political party for personal reasons or whatever. Don't you think asim munir is the sole reason that has created hatred for army in the hearts of nation. Do you really think IK or Taliban khan according to you is a non-patriot? Do you think he is corrupt? Do you think entire nation is a fool that they loves him & trust him? Why on earth you military fans defend most stupid actions of an individual General (COAS). Why you think entire army has to suffer for one man's actions. A retired General ruining the last remaining repute / respect of organisation for his personal agenda should not be defended. That's sole reason to keep another retired general as head of ISI, another one as head of PAF. This is the game of individuals. A specific mindset people are unwilling to go and let others take place, this game is to save their own skins and keep those out against which they had personal grudges and bias. They care nothing about nation or organisation for that matter. Its all personal. Asim / Nadeem anjum knows they have done some serious crimes against the nation and a largest pol party, they cannot afford them to get in power again, so they will keep waging war and ruining both the nation & the army in this process.

ISI isnt incompetent, however yes there are intel failures but remember IBO stands for intel based ops, so operational strategy of FC and Army is based on intel provided by Inte agencies.

Since you have time on hands to write essays - explain how to find and target the terrorist (TTP) from within the public ? This is the war Pakistan Forces are fighting, an unseen enemy.

 

[PakFactor]

On a serious note, why ISI is so god damn incompetent? Why they are unable to dismantle terror networks till for now about 2 decades ? Why they couldn't had enough sense to advice Musharraf to not let US bomb the shit out of our tribal regions, it would only create hatred and vengeance will be unleashed against Pakistan army. Tribals started jihad when US dropped bombs on funerals killing 100s. Why there was no sensible person in Zia's establishment to guide him and stop him from jihadifiaction & extremism into the country. His religious fanatic ideas laid the foundation for whatever we faced later.

Secondly, one can say argue that ISI is seriously incompetent on security matters because their focus is on political maneuvering But we wonder they are even more incompetent in that too. They put their entire effort to create new parties out of PTI and this time it was at so much intensity that they couldn't hide it too, abducting people for weeks and then pressuring them for press conferences and joining new party, their key people in those new parties, it was rumored that those people like Jahangir tareen, khattak & Aleem and establishment made Khan for what he was LOL! All those dumbest narratives came crashing down as they utterly failed against him. Those new parties with full Military / ISI support collapsed down in rather hilarious fashion. Despite everything, every tactic, & pre-poll rigging, PTI back candidates won overwhelmingly and then army had to do yet another treachery of stealing the nation's mandate. Its one failure after another, they are exposed as never before. If there was even 1% truth & logic that ISI ever had helped PTI then they should have finished it without any effort and their new creations (Tareen's party & Khattaq's) should have been a remarkable success. But look how everything unfolded LOL!

Lastly, don't you think it was a dumb idea to treat the most beloved leader of the nation as enemy? Don't you think it was dumb of current military leadership to go after largest political party for personal reasons or whatever. Don't you think asim munir is the sole reason that has created hatred for army in the hearts of nation. Do you really think IK or Taliban khan according to you is a non-patriot? Do you think he is corrupt? Do you think entire nation is a fool that they loves him & trust him? Why on earth you military fans defend most stupid actions of an individual General (COAS). Why you think entire army has to suffer for one man's actions. A retired General ruining the last remaining repute / respect of organisation for his personal agenda should not be defended. That's sole reason to keep another retired general as head of ISI, another one as head of PAF. This is the game of individuals. A specific mindset people are unwilling to go and let others take place, this game is to save their own skins and keep those out against which they had personal grudges and bias. They care nothing about nation or organisation for that matter. Its all personal. Asim / Nadeem anjum knows they have done some serious crimes against the nation and a largest pol party, they cannot afford them to get in power again, so they will keep waging war and ruining both the nation & the army in this process.

In the early days, Hitler once said, "Control the youth, and you control the future." Sadly, the future is abandoning a sinking ship. In the end, all your left with is substandard pool of individuals to run the country.

No matter how much you lecture a certain segment of the country, they will never change, and when one doesn't change they end up being the losers.

 

[FuturePAF]

Basically, Azm-e-Istehkam is the new word salad for Raddul fasaad, which was supposed to be exactly what Azm-e-Istehkam is being described.

The new packaging however is an attempt to convince the Chinese that we are doing something. Instead, it spooked our own provincial govts and political parties and now clarification are being given that it's just new packaging. i wonder what the Chinese think of these theatrics.

The Chinese will be even more pissed off.

P.s. if you want to see how COIN can be done effectively, so effectively that even the Chinese government under Deng, which was supportive of the guerrillas, threw in the towel (after decades of supporting the insurgents) and defunded the insurgents, then study the Second Malay Emergency.

Study especially the KESBAN program. Which involved improved security and development: improved in police force, censorship of insurgent propaganda, improved government coordination, RURAL DEVELOPMENT, relocation of villages prone to insurgent indoctrination.

Fighting has to be done by small bands of commandos, quickly and quietly inserted to detain enemy forces. In the context of the Afghans, IMHO, a tactic that could work well is ransoming back captured insurgents for agreements with their tribes for agreements of peace and a trading post along the border, as long as peace prevails, in the sector controlled by that tribe or sub-tribe.

Btw, on a macro level, if the national economy is growing quick and sustainably, then, then more development can be done in rural areas, which will allow bigger carrots and the need for less stick. The optimal option, IMHO.





Btw; here is a documentary on the leader of this insurgency. A one time friendly to the British (when they were both fighting the Japanese) that turned against them. A good documentary, to see how Pakistan can deal with the Talibs, it was hopefully would see its long of view and come to some mutual understanding. A good way to see how to reign in what came out of Pandora’s box.

The Malaya Emergency, the First, the 8 year lull, and the second phase, lasted 51 years; 1948 till 1989. Pakistan needs to be prepared for a 50 year struggle to reign in 50 years of destabilization in Pakistan since the early 1970s.



Here is a video on the POLICE force Malaysia made to fight this war; the VAT 69.

 

[S.Y.A]

Batain karwa lo bus. Karo blame game coz your brain is wired to defend Taliban Khan, it cannot think much further than that for Pakistan.

You wouldn't know why DG ISI went for meeting in Kabul in 2021. The agenda was different than meeting in 2023. That change of agenda is the main point. And Im sure you have no clue of that.

please, you guys forced mqm upon karachi again when mushi was in power. this is your MO.

 

[Goenitz]

In the early days, Hitler once said, "Control the youth, and you control the future." Sadly, the future is abandoning a sinking ship. In the end, all your left with is substandard pool of individuals to run the country.

No matter how much you lecture a certain segment of the country, they will never change, and when one doesn't change they end up being the losers.