Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[hydrabadi_arab]

it was fake news

 

[LHA4210]

 

[Oscar]

One option is to create a buffer zone inside of Afghanistan on the border areas. Use that as a bargaining chip to get the Afghan Taliban to give up support for TTP for good. Admittedly that is not a very neighborly thing to do, but when have TTP ever been good neighbors sitting inside of Afghanistan?

The will both in establishment and their political allies is gone for it.
Too busy preserving their seats and going about inflaming the ethnic angle both unwillingly and at times willingly.

But yes ideally that would be the best way to go about it except sustaining it would be extremely expensive.
The actual solution is a Afghan ruling framework - basically using the local commanders create this buffer. Unfortunately, this is what Pakistan had actually envisioned through its support of TTA which never worked out.

The solution then is NOT to try and fix KP through Afghanistan but to fix KP through itself.
There are LEGITMATE greviences created through both the state and by its controlling factor in the establishment.

The issue is the mentality of the establishment which does not understand the idea of reconciliation and apology - that in its own ENSURES that it cannot hold its own lines of communications to manage the threat in Afghanistan.

 

[Oscar]

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Yes, and everytime they try to fly them it is:

 

[Mujahid]

What a technology.. Drone going in reverse..

We are scared..

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

 

[bafxet]

The one big mistake that Pakistan did was to save these thankless Taliban from US rage. Pakistan should let US bomb them to annihilate them once and for all

 

[iron shrapnel]

Oh how i wish they hit Lahore and Punjab with those half stiched together kamikaze drones so they understand what the rest of the country is going through in terms of actual terrorism....
Every day there's a neo liberal commie popping out with either, Yawr unko bhee tau sumjho naw or
افغانستان ہماڑے لیے ڈاکٹڑ بھیجے گاں

 

[Oscar]

Its been restated by plenty here but just to get some refocused discussion on this.

There are still 3 main issues at play here:

1. Durand line: This was done between Afghan Emirs and the Brits in 1893 which EVERY Afghan government since 47 has rejected it saying it was void by the Brits leaving. This is a STATE practice REGARDLESS of WHO RULES AFGHANISTAN. Now, they are using it to give sanctuary to TTP basically under the guise of getting some territory. This is a long standing emotional string pulled by every Afghan government EVER.

2. TTP: This movement was practically DEAD late 2020 and then suddenly when the TTA take over - they freed even those TTP that were jailed in Afghanistan by Ghani through pressure from the US... under the aspect that all TTP are their brothers. They are treating the TTP as an ethnic brotherhood - not as a foreign terrorist force for a variety of reasons that also tie back to how Islamabad pre-2001 created the Taliban and promoted intermarriages in FATA and Afghanistan border regions(more than the usual)

3. Pakistan expected a lot more out of the Taliban and instead they got their ... handed back to them because the Afghan did not care for Pakistan's help. Unfortunately only ignorant people tie this to Pakistan role in WoT when infact even in the first Afghan Emirate the Taliban really did not deliver ANYTHING to Pakistan and WERE STILL HARPING ON THE DURAND line - with only Haqqani and a few others helping keep the peace.
Basically, the establishment's breeding of snakes (For goals that ranged from keeping the Soviets out to "second army" to establishing free trade corridor to central asia) backfired.


Barring the overall aspect of Pakistan's own failed system -
The only logical path that emerges knowing how the Afghan acts is:

1. Pakistan stops caring and even talking on Durand line but also does not try to "invade"
2. Kabul is told - keep the border districts clean of TTP and we stop the bombing, open all trade with additional sweeteners thrown in.

3. Fix your own governance and political mess in KP - APOLOGIZE for how your operations against TTP impacted civilians REGARDLESS of how the local population did or did not behave because at the end they are YOUR countrymen and NOT KABULs. No matter HOW THEY acted before - you serve THEM.

4. Linking to 2 - both let those that get money from trade in those area get it but provide the people of the area more incentives to make money eastward, northward and other places. Give them alternative ways to make money with what they do currently and then over a decade or so wean them off.
Those trade programs and schools are great until you cannot have these people make the same amount of money they were before. If growing and pushing drugs, smuggling or even militant groups provides more - why would someone choose a lower paying trade in this era of expense? Expecting "honesty" from people who really do survive in abject poverty is idiotic while you live great lifestyles.

 

[Oscar]

Now - what is likely to happen?

Pakistan is doing the same divide and rule
Why? Because it knows(rightly) that the Taliban(read Afghan) in their governance model which is basically masculine jerking off is unsustainable and WILL COLLAPSE into rifts - they want to help it along.

What is happening with KP on back and forth accusations of each side saying "you failed" is a province more alienated from the center until it becomes permanent - and it seems very much that if we disregard the ethnofacists in PML(N) - the establishment at least are also blind to it in their usual "We are right" attitude.

FATA is actually at the same state or worse than Zarb e Azb - and now even more difficult to clear BECAUSE where previously it was the mixed ANA - US aspect which was part sanctuary part traded cleanup - the TTA FULLY SUPPORT THE TTP with ZERO qualms.

But this may not be immediate and the bigger problem is Pakistan actually had leverage through Karachi as Afghanistan's "port". Now that both sides are focused on bypassing each other - this logn standing leverage ALONG WITH ALL IN PAKISTAN that profited from it are rusting and creating economic issues. This is decades worth of infra - livelihoods that will eventually be supplanted but never revived again.