Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Fatman17]

I thought I made very easy for you to understand, let me try other way.

On Indian Parliament I beleive they put the map of bharat mata which include all of Pakistan and on west, Afghans claim lands till attock.

If you understand and agree with above, you tell me at our state/establishment level and general population, what is our response and narrative? You have to have some counter strategy to both these neighbours right or you going to give them free run? I have never heard at say Pakistani social media or even at state level us having claims of lands both in India and Afghanistan based on the fact that we are the custodians of IVC.

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[Distant_Observer]

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[peagle]

You call them brothers based on what?

Religion? >>>>> they do not think of you equal Muslims, some of them are takfiri to the core

Culture? >>>>> Pakistan has some very diverse culture, except for ilaka ghair kay monkeys, there is not much similarity. They eat meat you eat Daal.

Border? >>>>> Pakistan has remained strategic depth for them, saved them. Yet when Pakistan faced aggression from its mortal enemy recently, the FM brother was touring the enemy state, shaking hands. Pakistan accepts them as a state, it were them who did not accept Pakistan.

I do not understand what is the basis for their grievances against Pakistan and Pakistanis. Did we invite USSR? Did we bring US & NATO to this region and their country?

I wish Pakistan had kept some hostages from Quetta thing families to make sure these hypocrites do not start playing games.

You seem confused.
your reply is overly simplistic, conjuring few facts without a coherent meaning. It makes no sense.

I wanted to provide a detailed reply but I think i'll be a waste of effort. If you still want me to provide a full reply, Please let me know and I will do what I can. Honestly, you seem confused.

 

[I*R*A]

You seem confused.
your reply is overly simplistic, conjuring few facts without a coherent meaning. It makes no sense.

I wanted to provide a detailed reply but I think i'll be a waste of effort. If you still want me to provide a full reply, Please let me know and I will do what I can. Honestly, you seem confused.

Are they an enemy or not?

 

[peagle]

I thought I made very easy for you to understand, let me try other way.

On Indian Parliament I beleive they put the map of bharat mata which include all of Pakistan and on west, Afghans claim lands till attock.

If you understand and agree with above, you tell me at our state/establishment level and general population, what is our response and narrative? You have to have some counter strategy to both these neighbours right or you going to give them free run? I have never heard at say Pakistani social media or even at state level us having claims of lands both in India and Afghanistan based on the fact that we are the custodians of IVC.

You made it easy for yourself to understand, not me, that's the problem with people they think just because it makes sense in their head, it should make sense to everyone else.

You have not provided a single rational argument.
I am not the one complaining about the map in indian parliament or afghan claims, you are. It is you who needs to justify, not me.

You're complaining, you tell me what should be the appropriate response and why, not forgetting what that supposed response will achieve, to what end.

Mostly all i've heard here is usual Pakistani self loathing, logic and reason can go to hell.
if things go wrong then it's more self loathing. It's always crying after the event, no attempt towards forsight, trying to evaulaute a situation without raw emotions. it's always let's try this that or the other, incapable of trying to understand why.

 

[peagle]

Are they an enemy or not?

No, a big fat No.
Never were, nor are, never will be.
No.

 

[hasssanali8998]

But can someone verify if this is biased or level of accuracy?

no it isnt,
they havent produced bodies for funerals, when asked about it they said the bodies disappeared
that should tell you all u need to know

 

[I*R*A]

No, a big fat No.
Never were, nor are, never will be.
No.

They remain an enemy, have yet to prove they are our friends.

Thank you, end of discussion. Agree to disagree. See you around.

 

[peagle]

no it isnt,
they havent produced bodies for funerals, when asked about it they said the bodies disappeared
that should tell you all u need to know

He was referring to the deaths in Pakistan over past past few decades.
His question was linked to a previous post regarding the 80,000 deaths in Pakistan.
I think you misunderstood his post, hence clarifying.

 

[hasssanali8998]

He was referring to the deaths in Pakistan over past past few decades.
His question was linked to a previous post regarding the 80,000 deaths in Pakistan.
I think you misunderstood his post, hence clarifying.

i was replying to his orignal question

 

[Master Chief]

I thought I made very easy for you to understand, let me try other way.

On Indian Parliament I beleive they put the map of bharat mata which include all of Pakistan and on west, Afghans claim lands till attock.

If you understand and agree with above, you tell me at our state/establishment level and general population, what is our response and narrative? You have to have some counter strategy to both these neighbours right or you going to give them free run? I have never heard at say Pakistani social media or even at state level us having claims of lands both in India and Afghanistan based on the fact that we are the custodians of IVC.

The point being made is that your claim of "bin Qasim" brainwashing is unfounded. Granted, some religious seminary educational syllabus may propose this theory, but any Pakistani with rudimentary education knows that our genetic origins are predominantly not related to the Arabian region.

Some will argue that the rudimentary education level in Pakistan is poor, which is a fair comment (and this argument has been made on this thread), but the Pakistanis who have failed even this basic level of education are nowhere near the gears and levers of genuine influence.

EVERY statement of substance emanating from official channels speaks highly protectively of the Harrapan and IVC origins of this land and claims full ownership of the main archaeological infrastructure in this regard. Indians routinely bark about the Indus Valley and our academics and politicians always push back.

This concept of "Bin Qasim-ism" is a red herring and is one that INDIANS PROJECT onto us because that suits their agenda of detaching us from our true origins.

The game you are playing on this thread is actually well understood and is not related to the various constructive debates being had by others.

 

[peagle]

i was replying to his orignal question

Are you saying no one has been killed in Pakistan, due terrorism from Afghanistan?

 

[Master Chief]

You seem confused.
your reply is overly simplistic, conjuring few facts without a coherent meaning. It makes no sense.

I wanted to provide a detailed reply but I think i'll be a waste of effort. If you still want me to provide a full reply, Please let me know and I will do what I can. Honestly, you seem confused.

First of all, let me say I am glad you are adding to this discussion and that your rational discourse always adds value to any thread, especially those where knowledge of history is relevant.

I understand what your earlier argument was alluding to and while I respectfully disagree on specific details, I do hope that some impetus for change in the national psyche of the Afghan might soon take root and gather momentum.

I don't regard Afghans, in their present iteration, as "brotherly" by any interpretation of the term.

The fundamental problem is the racism of the pashtun hierarchy sitting in Kabul. It is worth remembering that prior to 1947, they ACCEPTED British stewardship of NWFP (partly due to simple strength of arms of the British) and one chieftain even offered his womenfolk to preserve the then status quo. It is also worth remembering that when the British left, our Pashtun regions acceded to Pakistan by way of referendum (OVERWHELMINGLY in favour of Pakistan), and Swat and some other fiefdoms acceded by way of IoA.

Suddenly this Pashtun movement has decided that all prior rationale is to be cast aside?

What they didn't want off the British and couldn't argue for diplomatically in 1947, they suddenly feel obligated to declare "jihad" for now? Just because they are offended that their opponent is now a brown skinned "barhadari", and just because Hindustan provided them some dollars and weapons?

As a side note, one does feel there is an undercurrent of simple envy, that Kabul could not achieve by any means what Islamabad achieved through diplomatic skill and mental fortitude through the likes of Jinnah and Iqbal.

Truly the behaviour of Kabulites is the behaviour of a fork-tongued being.

I agree with others that they must be crushed mercilessly for their mercenary war of opportunism against Pakistani statehood. At the same time, I agree that long term rehabilitation is needed but this will probably only come when their racial supremacist ideology is demonstrated to be fundamentally flawed and is overpowered by a superior ideology.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

First of all, let me say I am glad you are adding to this discussion and that your rational discourse always adds value to any thread, especially those where knowledge of history is relevant.

I understand what your earlier argument was alluding to and while I respectfully disagree on specific details, I do hope that some impetus for change in the national psyche of the Afghan might soon take root and gather momentum.

I don't regard Afghans, in their present iteration, as "brotherly" by any interpretation of the term.

The fundamental problem is the racism of the pashtun hierarchy sitting in Kabul. It is worth remembering that prior to 1947, they ACCEPTED British stewardship of NWFP (partly due to simple strength of arms of the British) and one chieftain even offered his womenfolk to preserve the then status quo. It is also worth remembering that when the British left, our Pashtun regions acceded to Pakistan by way of referendum (OVERWHELMINGLY in favour of Pakistan), and Swat and some other fiefdoms acceded by way of IoA.

Suddenly this Pashtun movement has decided that all prior rationale is to be cast aside?

What they didn't want off the British and couldn't argue for diplomatically in 1947, they suddenly feel obligated to declare "jihad" for now? Just because they are offended that their opponent is now a brown skinned "barhadari", and just because Hindustan provided them some dollars and weapons?

As a side note, one does feel there is an undercurrent of simple envy, that Kabul could not achieve by any means what Islamabad achieved through diplomatic skill and mental fortitude through the likes of Jinnah and Iqbal.

Truly the behaviour of Kabulites is the behaviour of a fork-tongued being.

I agree with others that they must be crushed mercilessly for their mercenary war of opportunism against Pakistani statehood. At the same time, I agree that long term rehabilitation is needed but this will probably only come when their racial supremacist ideology is demonstrated to be fundamentally flawed and is overpowered by a superior ideology.

The afghans are EXTREMELY jealous of
Pakistan. The fact that we are a nuclear weapons state despite all odds and we have a nation that millions of afghsns want to go to and live. It REALLY BURNS them.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Taliban concerns in Badakhshan over the expansion of their opposition forces in Badakhshan. Maulvi Amanuddin, the Taliban governor of Helmand who has gone to Badakhshan, implicitly says that some people came to him and spoke about the activities of the opposition and the end of Taliban rule.

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