this is the great thing, there doesnt have to be, i dont suggest an overt deal, pak and israel already have intelligence co operation, what i suggest is we backdoor assurances to them, in exchange for security/intelligence assistance with our rat problem, mass surveillence, border surveillence etc. If they dont keep their end of the deal up, we withdraw ours. We can dislike it as much as we want, but theyre the only state that has successfully kept these types at bay.
Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)
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Pak-Warrior
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There's none similarity in security architecture due to scale of things. They have 40 km tiny Gaza Strip which they bomb and do mass murder with impunity and non-stop supply of US weapons.
We don't have a small territory to deal with. Our tribal areas alone are far bigger than Gaza with millions of population and massive size & difficult terrain. Then we have a mountainous border of 2700 kms and massive country of Afghanistan to deal with. Not to mention another massive primary front at east which is staunch ally of Israel.
Fundamentally both countries are different. We are no colonial entity. Israel is a colonial state of the west that has occupied Palestine.
Using Israel's approach will be death sentence for us. Israel's primary war was raged in one tiny Gaza strip. If we try to replicate this in Afghanistan, we will not even cover 1% of Afghanistan. Afghanistan has 35,000 to 45,000 villages. Our ammo will be finished after 100 villages. Our approach can never be same as Israel. We can only do specific targeted airstrikes and most importantly we have to build ground intelligence and work towards having a friendly regime in Kabul. We did that once, we can do that again. Otherwise 2 front situation means forever instability.
Liquidator
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That was a joint effort. Iran bombed parts of Pakistan and Pakistan bombed parts of Iran. I believe both sides hit BLA. At the time, Pakistan was less adventurous and it worked out well with that pretext.
The very next day both sides kissed and made up.....it was coordinated. Both sides now enjoy excellent relations and Pakistan went out if its way to assist them during the 12 day war. Those that know, know.
These two know what happened and are content with the outcome.
Khusra?
An invalidated retort.
However I don't need to make anything up about you; an imbecile begging for Israel to help Pakistan. Every other post is you bending over for Israeli ****
An imbecile that has made equivalent the plight of Palestinians at the hands of Israeli terrorists to TPP / TTA foreign backed terrorism in a sovereign state.
An imbecile that cannot see the writing on the wall....that has Pakistan directly in IDF crosshairs. Not because of "policy failure" but because of devious designs inherent in the Israel project.
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RAMPAGE
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The counterargument is the immorality of an overture under current circumstances. I am not religious, not even a little, but I find the idea utterly repugnant.
I*R*A
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There is no similarity between the problems we face and kind of expansionist agenda they follow.
I would let them try their luck with india and indians, that is lot better than us opening up to them. We cannot give them any assurances neither they need any from us. They cannot help us with BLA and TTP unless they can stop financing and weapons of these terrorist outfits.
Liquidator
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And there you have it guys
- abandon the ummah (a direct commandment of the Quran)
- Ally with Israel.
You should read up on what publicly advocating people to reject a direct commandment of the Quran means for your emaan. If fact, not only rejecting it but mocking it publicly If you care for it of course.
If you happen to be a Muslim, you would repent. If not, stay on your merry path.
RAMPAGE
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I think you should base your argument on the supposition that it might encourage them to limit military assistance to India somewhat. Even that is not obvious.
As for counterterrorism, there is very little Israel can provide that isn't already available to us. There isn't an exact parallel between our security challenges and Israel's. The two borders are wildly dissimilar. Their enemy is limited to a few city blocks, pretty much surrounded on all sides. We have a 2500 KM border with very difficult terrain, and our enemy is sitting on a heap of weapons and ammunition with established supply routes to boot. Also, our enemy has support on the inside unlike theirs.
Honestly, it is probably better to seek peace with India when the opportunity presents itself.
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El Sidd
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Almost every other user on this forum holds such views about the concept of Ummah. Some laugh about it, some ridicule it and some call it a generational thing and cannot wait for the generation who believe in it to die away.
Less to do with hamas, but more to do with them being surrounded by all sides, Intelligence and surveillance wise, i dont think anyone could offer anything even close to the kinds of stuff they have on offer, even now we find ourselves buying israeli surv kit, so im sure some sort of backend co op exists anyway tbh
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