Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Meengla]

Why we are still trying to reason with this rationale?

They are pscyhopathic ethnofascists that will say and do anything to advance their narrative.

They will lie to your face. They will butcher your people and say its your fault.

The time for dialogue and understanding is long gone.

I was responding to that guy and you can see I don't agree with him about Ramadan.

 

[Meengla]

This new jugar from Establishment to trick the "international community" into forgetting who was selling nuke equipment all over the world , or where OBL was found or who has been the Taliban's deepest lover for the last 30 years won't work.

Right. But you just forgot to lionize Mujib ur Rehman.

 

[Distant_Observer]

I was responding to that guy and you can see I don't agree with him about Ramadan.

Bro these people suffer from main character syndrome. They thought they could conquer the world after OBL started blowing smoke up their asses, telling them they are the leaders of the Muslim world

Pakistanis are lesser than in their eyes.

They are still unable to digest Indus reclaiming its territory and becoming a nuclear power.

Everytime Pakistan progresses they have a seizure.

No different to Indians.

 

[Gripen9]

You do know that guy’

Well ! When you cannot make credible counter argument you insult that just reflects on your ignorance.

Some posters are discussing the Zionazi terrorism in this thread which is not related to Afghanistan border clashes.

s background and his geo strategic leanings?

 

[Meengla]

He is not a PTI supporter. He calls Mr. Niazi and PTI, a failed GHQ project. Also he has no love for Afghanistan nor its interim government.
The only thing he is positive about life is Iran.

He is a Pashtun nationalist first and mistakenly thinks Imran, a Punjabi, is a Pashtun. Most post of his are anti-Pakistan under the disguise of 'anti Establishment' because his Messiah Khan is not in power anymore. There are other followers of the Messiah Khan here but they don't go to his kind of extreme and I respect them despite often disagreeing with them; we know each other.

 

[falcon34]

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We are never annexing wakhan cause of the cucks in power about what about the other aspects, if there was such meeting in Kabul why wasn't that place JDAM'D

 

[Vapnope]

27 people died today in Pakistan. If state cannot handle these goons, maybe some of us will have to do the needful.

 

[M. Sarmad]

And there you have it guys

- abandon the ummah (a direct commandment of the Quran)
- Ally with Israel.

You should read up on what publicly advocating people to reject a direct commandment of the Quran means for your emaan. If fact, not only rejecting it but mocking it publicly If you care for it of course.

If you happen to be a Muslim, you would repent. If not, stay on your merry path.

That observation certainly has merit... the modern nation-state is largely a Western political construct, and rigid nationalism contradicts with the universal ethos of Islam... Framing tensions purely as Pakistani versus Afghan can therefore be theologically misplaced...

But at the same time, the Quranic injunction is clear that when two groups of Muslims fight, reconciliation should be pursued.. but if one side persists in aggression, resistance and war against the oppressor becomes justified... From this perspective, if armed groups from Afghanistan repeatedly attack Pakistani Muslims, a defensive response can be argued as religiously mandated... It can be further argued and contended that extremist, quasi-Kharijite tendencies within Taliban further strengthen that case...

That said, any conflict must distinguish combatants from non combatants. The killing of innocent Afghan women and children as collateral damage is a profound tragedy and should be avoided at all costs...

 

[Blain2]

What should Ramadan be sacred for Pakistan but not for the Afghans?? And hadn't there been wars in Ramadan during Islam early history? A senior Israeli analyst even said that Muslims are the weakest during Ramadan!
And sealing the border. Nah, not happening. Not physically possible if one pays even a cursory attention to the geography, the terrain, the long border and houses almost literally straddling the border. They cut through barbed wires, dig tunnels to cross into Pakistan, often aided by corrupt officials on the Pakistani side or ethnic kins on Pakistani side.

Coming back to this topic: Firdous Iftikhar, who is my favorite now after Rahimullah Yusufzai is no more--says this time Pakistan is not going to stop until the Afghan Taliban stop. Last time, Qatar and Turkey suggested mediation and Pakistan obliged but not this time. Some Pakistani analyst saying about 400 more terrorists in Afghanistan to be killed and the Northern Resistance Front is begging Pakistan to grab the Wakhan Corridor and support the NRF against the Afghan Taliban...

Islam foran yaad aa ja ta hai jab Pakistan reacts.

Martyring our people like sheep is not an Islamic concern for the other side and their supporters. Yet another example of hypocrisy.

Pakistan can hit the Taliban harder than the Americans because we know who their key people are. Americans did not. Second, the idea is not to entirely unravel the Taliban project in Afghanistan because there is a split in their ranks and there are still some who are willing to work amicably with Pakistan.

If the Taliban try to open up fire on the border, last time they had suffered serious damage, this time it will be far worse for them iA.

The Taliban know that taking the Pakistani state is a policy with diminishing returns. The problem is how to incentivize them to give up all support for TTP (favors owed, loyalties due etc.).

 

[Watandar]

27 people died today in Pakistan. If state cannot handle these goons, maybe some of us will have to do the needful.

State obviously cannot handle these terrorists as the last 40 or so years can testify. So you may need to do the needful Mr Rambo Rambo Jaan Rambo.

 

[SteppeWolff]

did we see whether al jazeera reported on this?

Nope. The camel jockies only wake up when its their biradar e Islami Afkunis get clipped.

And yeah, that showbaz is going to Qatar again. Let's see

 

[Blain2]

We are never annexing wakhan cause of the cucks in power about what about the other aspects, if there was such meeting in Kabul why wasn't that place JDAM'D

Annexing Wakhan corridor may seem easy on paper, it is highly improbable for various other reasons including leaving our forces and supply lines over extended.

In the overall scheme of things, it is not needed. It is in Afghanistan's self interest that they give Pakistani trade access to the CA states through this corridor so they can charge transit fees. If they cannot make it happen on their own, what will happen if Pakistan is occupying it?

I am not even sure who has come up with this suggestion on WC. It is a non-starter. Pakistan has no designs on it.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan can hit the Taliban harder than the Americans because we know who their key people are. Americans did not. Second, the idea is not to entirely unravel the Taliban project in Afghanistan because there is a split in their ranks and there are still some who are willing to work amicably with Pakistan.

I think an organization in Afghanistan itself provided the ground intelligence to select the targets for Pakistan's latest attack and also Siraj uddin Haqqani faction is not too hostile against Pakistan.
I believe problem with Afghanistan is poverty--grinding poverty--and hopelessness and in such circumstances, it is pennies on the dollar for the Indians to buy the terrorists to target Pakistan. Some Pakistani analysts saying Indians are even arming factions with surface to air missiles in Afghanistan to try to neutralize the Pakistani air superiority.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Pakistan needs to destroy every single terrorist camp on the border of which there are 100s.

Stop delaying and take action and protect the lives of your people.

Destroy their infrastructure, their depots, their weapons, their manpower and ability to organize.

Why are you prolonging this? It's been 20 years.

Stop listening to these PTM types sitting in the west secretly hoping Pashtunistan will be born from the ass of the taliban.

 

[Blain2]

That observation certainly has merit... the modern nation-state is largely a Western political construct, and rigid nationalism contradicts with the universal ethos of Islam... Framing tensions purely as Pakistani versus Afghan can therefore be theologically misplaced...

But at the same time, the Quranic injunction is clear that when two groups of Muslims fight, reconciliation should be pursued.. but if one side persists in aggression, resistance and war against the oppressor becomes justified... From this perspective, if armed groups from Afghanistan repeatedly attack Pakistani Muslims, a defensive response can be argued as religiously mandated... It can be further argued and contended that extremist, quasi-Kharijite tendencies within Taliban further strengthen that case...

That said, any conflict must distinguish combatants from non combatants. The killing of innocent Afghan women and children as collateral damage is a profound tragedy and should be avoided at all costs...

Afghans don't think "theologically". I think Pakistan has exercised sufficient "Islamic" restraint ever since Taliban have come to power.

If Afghans did think "theologically/Islamically", this Durand line issue would have been resolved long ago. Their "nation state" thinking gets in the way of this issue.

Rest, I agree as Pakistan has pursued talks, economic incentives, recognition, canvassing for Taliban the world over, hosting refugees etc. etc. but nothing has worked.