Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Blain2]

So in short, according to you, current situation is all kosher. Dozens dead per day is all okay. Security appratus is doing its job well.

While whole caravans of smugglers cross borders daily in jeeps and god knows how much of weapons or guys they are smuggling in.

And drones arent the solution. Sure.

Nothing is OK. Not sure how you took that to be the point.

Point is that casualties will be taken as this COIN campaign is prosecuted because there is no quick fix. If we are hurting, the other side is hurting even more. They are essentially bankrupt. They have issues maintaining control within their own territory and Pakistani strikes are massively humiliating for them.

Within their own government, outside of the sloganeering, some of their own ppl are asking questions if supporting TTP is worth it for them. Pakistan's kinetic responses within, trade closure and now strikes across are all adding to those pressures but this will take time.

All of this will lead to eventual talks...they are not serious about it now because the cost was not being raised for them. That is changing.

 

[SteppeWolff]

It cannot.

The gent claims that "smuggling has not been stopped".

For smuggling to stop, you need two countries operating in unison to make that happen. Afghanistan's economy operates on smuggling and drug trafficking.

We have border posts that have no mirrors on the other side.

We cannot deploy cheap drones because they lack range, require their operators to be deployed in the no-mans land itself and employing hundreds, thousands of such drones do very little to keep an eye on a 2600 KM border.

The objective is disruption, deterrence, and cost imposition, not perfection. First, Afghanistan’s cooperation is helpful but not required. Countries routinely secure hostile borders unilaterally. Yemen-KSA? USA-MEXICO ( Sharp decline due to sensors and drones ).

Modern lowcost ISR drones are networked relays, not single platforms. You don’t fly one drone across 2,600 km. You create layered coverage.

Short range quadcopters can investigate alerts. Fixed wing cheap ISR drones can monitor 60–120 km patrol boxes. Tethered towers can ensure continuous overwatch. Ground sensors trigger drones automatically.

And no, Operators can sit 30–80 km inside Pakistani territory because relay drones extend control links and you can man vast areas easily without heavy manning.

 

[Watandar]

If Ukraine , Hamas , and taliban can fight for 20 years. Then I am sure we are capable of fighting for at least 200 years.

Then you will have fallen for the trap that the international community set for you in Afghanistan. There is still time, recognize your estranged Taliban children and accept Afghanistan as an independent neighbor. Join the Chinese and Central Asians who want to mine and export the minerals in Afghanistan and pay the Taliban concession fee. Your CPEC is perfect for those exports.

Else waste another 50 years fighting uselessly in Afghanistan, which has now spilled over into KPK and Baluchistan and will spillover further. Thats what India and the West wants for you.

 

[Oscar]

Maybe you should pay more attention to history and the mentality of GHQ ? The Taliban is their baby and a war in Afghanistan a huge source of income going back 50 years. An additional income stream is the massive border smuggling business. GHQ is not going to change any of this no matter how many ordinary Pakistani citizens die, as witnessed in last 25 years alone.

That is a dishonest or ignorant simplification.
The Taliban are not on entity - never were.
Bu if you cannot be bothered to dig into the full history of how this situation came to be you’ll sprinkle quarter baked pieces and then claim that is what a cake looks like.

 

[Oscar]

Then you will have fallen for the trap that the international community set for you in Afghanistan. There is still time, recognize your estranged Taliban children and accept Afghanistan as an independent neighbor. Join the Chinese and Central Asians who want to mine and export the minerals in Afghanistan and pay the Taliban concession fee. Your CPEC is perfect for those exports.

Else waste another 50 years fighting uselessly in Afghanistan, which has now spilled over into KPK and Baluchistan and will spillover further. Thats what India and the West wants for you.

How do you recognize people who WHILE LIVING IN PAKISTAN well before this latest Afghan war iteration were claiming the land is all theirs and planning genocide even against their Pashtun Pakistani cousins?

 

[Jango]

NWFP was purposefully kept lawless and a no mans land to ensure taliban could hide from NATO forces and ensure the smuggling routes remain functional because 80% of KP economy depends on smuggling.

To fix the taliban problem, there needs to be regime change in KP and rational security focused leadership take charge.

Acha to Balochistan main kia masla hai? Wahan bhi PTI is preventing you from creating a utopia?

These takes are laughable at best, moronic at worst

 

[Blain2]

The objective is disruption, deterrence, and cost imposition, not perfection. First, Afghanistan’s cooperation is helpful but not required. Countries routinely secure hostile borders unilaterally. Yemen-KSA? USA-MEXICO ( Sharp decline due to sensors and drones ).

Modern lowcost ISR drones are networked relays, not single platforms. You don’t fly one drone across 2,600 km. You create layered coverage.

Short range quadcopters can investigate alerts. Fixed wing cheap ISR drones can monitor 60–120 km patrol boxes. Tethered towers can ensure continuous overwatch. Ground sensors trigger drones automatically.

And no, Operators can sit 30–80 km inside Pakistani territory because relay drones extend control links and you can man vast areas easily without heavy manning.

US-Mexico border is not seeing a decline because of technology. It is the policy threat that Trump has communicated to Sheinbaum that the US will take action within Mexico if she does not handle the immigrants and drugs flowing from her country into the US. This is also dawning upon the Pakistani planners that while they can put some tactical measures on the ground, the problem is the Takfiri Taliban government in Afghanistan itself.

Second, you don't need to explain how drones are operated here. We get it. I am just highlighting that a combination of factors are involved that cannot be solved just by "drones".

 

[Abid123]

PTI has literally killed the entire counter terror policy.

Was it PTI that hosted OBL in Abbottabad?

 

[hasssanali8998]

here is still time, recognize your estranged Taliban children and accept Afghanistan as an independent neighbor

GOD MAN , u are insuffferble
i will give u an example that u will understand
this is like telling iranians to sign a peace deal with israel, afgandus are our enemies now just as much if not more than india .

 

[SteppeWolff]

Nothing is OK. Not sure how you took that to be the point.

Point is that casualties will be taken as this COIN campaign is prosecuted because there is no quick fix. If we are hurting, the other side is hurting even more. They are essentially bankrupt. They have issues maintaining control within their own territory and Pakistani strikes are massively humiliating for them.

Within their own government, outside of the sloganeering, some of their own ppl are asking questions if supporting TTP is worth it for them. Pakistan's kinetic responses within, trade closure and now strikes across are all adding to those pressures but this will take time.

All of this will lead to eventual talks...they are not serious about it now because the cost was not being raised for them. That is changing.

Ok I understand. Yes, wars of attrition take time. Yes, pressure on Afghanistan matters.

But none of that explains why tactical gaps on our side should remain open while waiting for strategic effects to materialize??

COIN succeeds when you deny insurgents mobility, not when you simply punish sponsors. If fighters, weapons, and cash can still cross regularly, then operational pressure resets every night. You cannot bomb faster than infiltration replenishes.

And clearly, none of this is happening. A nuclear armed state is running around like a headless

 

[Jango]

Was it PTI that hosted OBL in Abbottabad?

Every problem the country is facing today can be traced to PTI it seems.

Must feel good to create strawmans to hide your own incompetence

 

[SteppeWolff]

Second, you don't need to explain how drones are operated here. We get it. I am just highlighting that a combination of factors are involved that cannot be solved just by "drones".

Never said "just drones". Clearly mentioned to plug the gaps where they exist. You have entire caravans crossing the border illegally daily.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Every problem the country is facing today can be traced to PTI it seems.

Must feel good to create strawmans to hide your own incompetence

Easier to blame than to take any accountability on yourself. Same old boring hogwash.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Acha to Balochistan main kia masla hai? Wahan bhi PTI is preventing you from creating a utopia?

These takes are laughable at best, moronic at worst

Anything that borders Afghanistan will get f**ked with. And through their leverage with KP they did just that to Balochistan.

They were and still are trying to carve a route to the sea.

 

[Blain2]

Was it PTI that hosted OBL in Abbottabad?

Why was OBL any different than any others supporting the Afghan jihad? Are you still carrying the burden of guilt that the West has thrust on your shoulders?