Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

iron shrapnel said:
So considering the looming energy crises that could hit us and potentially India as well...

Are we seriously doing something about central Asia connectivity by bypassing Afkunis ?

Situation would deem this be a high priority and not a consideration.

Get FWO to do what it was doing back in the day in Northern Areas and not repair Iran Avenue, billionth time...
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Highly unlikey at this stage. Saudia Arabia can very easily supply oil from its Western oil fields, and ship using Red Sea and totally bypassing Persian Gulf. And that is why Saudia Arabia is a huge PROBLEM for Zionist because of its strategic location.
 
T80UD said:
Man the police in these areas are absolutely useless

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The police are NOT tasked with primarily violence as their mode of action. Their training and overall training, ethos and operations are still based on maintain order during peacetime through soft power enforcemment. That too is then diluted by typical resource competence, corruption and overall political dynamics.

The result is that people who do that job are less likely to be competent or honest or even rarer combination of both.
 
ARMalik said:
Why I am getting strong vibes of you being an Afghan dressed in Pakistani clothes??
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Perfectly valid point and question - except the context is misunderstood.
But I also would like to point out as an analogy and not as some insulting equivalence - that a Labrador or Weimaraner is very good for searching and finding things but is not the best tool for standing guard or being used for attack - for that differrent breeds and training exist.

If you "militarize" the police(which they are to an extent) then you will also expect greater heavy handedness. Each branch as a specific role and expecting more out of that role cannot just be solved with late stage training.
 
Oscar said:
If you "militarize" the police(which they are to an extent) then you will also expect greater heavy handedness. Each branch as a specific role and expecting more out of that role cannot just be solved with late stage training.
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Like you said the police is already militarized to an extent, I actually don't remember the last time they didn't fire on protesters during a demonstration.

I will tell you one thing the police in these areas aren't even capable of solving basic crimes, the areas between towns are essentially the wild West and that goes for both Balochistan and interior Sindh. Hell Travelers driving on major motorways literally have to travel in police convoys just so they don't get robbed

Frankly I think it comes down to plain incompetency and corruption police are the first line of defense in an insurgency yet in our case they have become the weakest link.
 
T80UD said:
Like you said the police is already militarized to an extent, I actually don't remember the last time they didn't fire on protesters during a demonstration.

I will tell you one thing the police in these areas aren't even capable of solving basic crimes, the areas between towns are essentially the wild West and that goes for both Balochistan and interior Sindh. Hell Traveler driving on major motorways literally have to travel in police convoys just so they don't get robbed

Frankly I think it comes down to plain incompetency and corruption police are the first line of defense in an insurgency yet in our case they have become the weakest link.
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The culture in these regions hasn't developed to be suitably managed by an institution like a police force, these work better in urbanised areas with different psychologies.

In other rural areas the cultural environment makes them filled with exploitative individuals, you need a larger authority to keep people in check and working efficiently, but it creates local zones run by corrupt dudes who are also incompetent.

Notice how tribal enforcement is often far more effective in the tribal belt? Because it is an institution suited to the local culture and psychology. The elders will smite you and the village will shame you.
 
T80UD said:
Like you said the police is already militarized to an extent, I actually don't remember the last time they didn't fire on protesters during a demonstration.

I will tell you one thing the police in these areas aren't even capable of solving basic crimes, the areas between towns are essentially the wild West and that goes for both Balochistan and interior Sindh. Hell Travelers driving on major motorways literally have to travel in police convoys just so they don't get robbed

Frankly I think it comes down to plain incompetency and corruption police are the first line of defense in an insurgency yet in our case they have become the weakest link.
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Not always - depends upon culture and so on.
But yes corruption , incompetence and so on have a huge factor on effectiveness of LE.
 
Oscar said:
Perfectly valid point and question - except the context is misunderstood.
But I also would like to point out as an analogy and not as some insulting equivalence - that a Labrador or Weimaraner is very good for searching and finding things but is not the best tool for standing guard or being used for attack - for that differrent breeds and training exist.

If you "militarize" the police(which they are to an extent) then you will also expect greater heavy handedness. Each branch as a specific role and expecting more out of that role cannot just be solved with late stage training.
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Very well outlined - thanks.
 
Oscar said:
The police are NOT tasked with primarily violence as their mode of action. Their training and overall training, ethos and operations are still based on maintain order during peacetime through soft power enforcemment. That too is then diluted by typical resource competence, corruption and overall political dynamics.

The result is that people who do that job are less likely to be competent or honest or even rarer combination of both.
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Not Pakistan police in all provinces
 
FarhanSiddiqui said:
They are not allies of India ! India is the biggest customer of their oil and gas. Pakistan only gets the smuggled Iranian oil in the Balochistan province. Pakistan does not buy any oil or gas from Iran, although we have a border with Iran.
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Lies cannot change the reality. Iran and India were then strategic allies. Iran handed the control of Chabahar port over to Indians that was effectively used by Indian RAW as the free channel to enter/exit Iran at will by the RAW terrorists. It was all done with mutual understanding.

Iranian mullahs were then acting as willing partners with Indian Hindutva terrorists on this. It was certainly much more than just turning a blind eye on Indian terrorist activities in Iran. Iranians knew it fully well, especially after the capture of Kalboshan Jadev, a serving terrorist IN commander.

Didn't Iranians know that Indians, on the other side, had a strategic alliance with Zionists? They certainly did. It was their deep desire to harm Pakistan that kept them blinded for the real threat, i.e. Mossad and RAW creating numerous terror networks and vast infrastructure in Iran.

The same terrorist networks were later used by Zionists to wipe out the top Irani leadership in the beginning of last years 12 day fighting. Only then Irani mullahs realized the gravity of their blunder of blindly trusting Hindutva terrorists. The Indian ports are reportedly being used for attacks on Iran even in this war.

Let's hope Irani mullahs don't fall to the same blunders yet once again in future.
 
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