Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[ThoroughPro]

This pisses me off so much

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should hit them again

 

[Blain2]

This myth that the Pakistan cannot defeat the taliban/afghandoos is bs. The americans/nato EASILY defeated and subdued the afghandoos but they were not able to permanently occupy and RULE over afghanistan or impose their will over the afghandos. Pakistan seeks NONE of these things. Pakistan just wants to degrade the afghandoos/taliban to the point where they cannot commit terrorism and murder in Pakistan. We want the afghandoos to leave us the F**K alone.

See above article by Maj Gen Inam ul Haq. He makes the very same point.

Actually, our own policy, in support of Afghan Taliban, perpetuated that myth of "graveyard of empires" when Afghans have ALWAYS made deals to survive with the highest bidder.

 

[ThoroughPro]

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we are not using powerful enough explosives and not enough explosives, for every one that we kill 10 escape, small quadcopters won't win the war, we need to send bomb trucks to blow the shit out of them

 

[Blain2]

should hit them again

Some moral clarity should always be there. They are waving a white flag. Can't kill the enemy in such situations.

 

[Blain2]

we are not using powerful enough explosives and not enough explosives, for every one that we kill 10 escape, small quadcopters won't win the war, we need to send bomb trucks to blow the shit out of them

Sure, but using quad copters to inflict attrition (you kill 6-7 means you have injured many more), that causes significant problem for the other side to manage their logistics with the wounded.

Second, the small quadcopter and the ordnance they carry is much more stealth and helps with constant harassment. The Taliban bastards don't know when they will get hit on their own turf. That is a big change because prior they were inside Pakistan and taking the initiative.

Here, we are hunting them on their own ground using all types of platforms and ordnance.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

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Beijing is proving to be an unreliable partner except for commercial sales

 

[ThoroughPro]

Some moral clarity should always be there. They are waving a white flag. Can't kill the enemy in such situations.

the enemy who attacks the school kids and places of worship of the country that hosted them and fed them for free for more than five decades understands no morals, we need to become absolute animals by choice to rid of this cancer.

 

[Blain2]

the enemy who attacks the school kids and places of worship of the country that fed them for five decades understands no morals, we need to become absolute animals by choice to rid of this cancer.

I get that, but we have moral clarity, they don't. That is what sets us apart.

When they wave a white flag, they are essentially admitting they have been vanquished and are there to recover their dead. Under the Geneva convention (we are signatories, even if the Taliban aren't), we have to honor the white flag.

 

[Blain2]

Beijing is proving to be an unreliable partner except for commercial sales

Why do you say that?

All of this will end with talks (as all conflicts do). If China can facilitate it and it ends with Taliban disbanding TTP, it is a win-win for both Pakistan and China. That makes CPEC more viable.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[Samurai]

we are not using powerful enough explosives and not enough explosives, for every one that we kill 10 escape, small quadcopters won't win the war, we need to send bomb trucks to blow the shit out of them

PAF should be lobbing these 2000 lb bunker buster GBU-31 BLU-109 JDAMs over TTA infrastructures. Have you seen the destruction these have wrought in Iran by Israel and USA?

I don't think Pakistan manufactures JDAMs of this heavier payload class.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Why do you say that?

All of this will end with talks (as all conflicts do). If China can facilitate it and it ends with Taliban disbanding TTP, it is a win-win for both Pakistan and China. That makes CPEC more viable.

Of course but that's in the end once objectives are met, but I can't see China as a reliable partner if it can't even diplomatically stand with you when your sovereignity is threatened by irrelevant cavemen.

Commercially they sell a lot to us including military means, which is massively beneficial to them, but beyond that the relation seems above average at best

 

[T80UD]

Of course but that's in the end once objectives are met, but I can't see China as a reliable partner if it can't even diplomatically stand with you when your sovereignity is threatened by irrelevant cavemen.

Commercially they sell a lot to us including military means, which is massively beneficial to them, but beyond that the relation seems above average at best

China has many times in the past vetoed resolutions that were against us in the UN, that can't be understated, also unlike the US which has left the region and can say "Pakistan has a right to defend itself" They can't actively encourage conflict which will hurt their own interests.

 

[Distant_Observer]

What Pakistan really needs is to show the KUFFAR afghandus that if they commit terrorism and kill innocent Muslim Pakistani civilians that we will unleash hell on them. The consequences will see the eventual eradication of the afghandu nation and people.

taliban ideology and philosophy orginates from AQ and Bin Laden.

They believe they are the chosen ones destined to rule over lesser Muslims, lesser than Pakistanis.

They believed they would conquer Pakistan and have harems in Islamabad filled with virgin Pakistani boys and girls and subjugate the Punjabis.

It as much an enemy of Pakistan as RSS hinduvita if not more dangerous because they try to play the religion card to gain compliance.

Pakistanis quickly forget the period of 2007-2013. Your markets, hotels, mosques and cinemas were all getting bombed out. Thousands of deaths. It was a bloodbath.

If Afghanistan is to be reformed and no longer a threat then taliban must be scrubbed off the face of the earth.

For that Afghanistan will take a lot of damage and a lot of their towns will get flattened because they are using human shields.

Many will die but they will rest easy knowing it was to make Pakistan safer.

 

[T80UD]

I don't know why more land isn't being nibbled away from them, currently we hold a 32 sq km enclave and a few dozen posts probably totalling less then 70sq km in total, a few border villages and parts of spin boldak can be easily captured.

Also a battery of SH-15s with Extended range shells can hit target's directly inside jalalabad their 5th largest city.