Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

Hopefully Pessimistic said:
It seems after Eid the fighting will actually start again because the Taliban are naming Pakistan more than usual in their speeches.

Pakistan has done well dominating in the skies which is good, but I think it needs to focus on clear ground dominance, footage of quick raids in and out will collapse morale significantly especially after the airstrikes.

Ground domination has a different psychology associated with it and I think it's missing - of course a lot more risky though.
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Pakistan needs a solid buffer zone inside Afghanistan. This is the boundary that should be used to manage Afghanistan.
 
Blain2 said:
It's pretty bleak in the West. Very noticeable when I have had the opportunity to sit in some family dinners with people of a certain political pursuation overseas. They tend to blame the GoP/Establishment for even the terrorism emanating from Afghanistan. Self-flaggellation to the extreme, no stone left unturned to turn on own country and government out of sheer spite. And now we see the same crowd going overtime to accuse Pakistan on the basis of Afghan/Indian propaganda on SM/Twitter etc.
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A lot of self-deprecating insecure Pakistani retards in the west who want validation from others and view their own life as worthless. Cowards to their bones.

PTIs fanbase attracts them the most and feeds them with politicial reasons to amplify their cowardly self-deprecation.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Pakistanis allowed it to happen because they have no respect of themselves and their nation---.

When it takes over 35 years to learn that whom you are calling brother is really your enemy---the people of that nation are doomed ( pakistanis ).

The supposed "islamic brotherhood" islami bhai charah was the seed---and now it has grown its roots deep and that is making the pakistanis cry---.
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Believe it or not brother, back in the pakistanidefenceforum.com days I was struggling to convince the members that Afghans are hateful creatures. My experience had already informed me 25+ years ago that Afghans are the worst. It indeed took our people 25+ years to finally realise the truth.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
A lot of self-deprecating insecure Pakistani retards in the west who want validation from others and view their own life as worthless. Cowards to their bones.

PTIs fanbase attracts them the most and feeds them with politicial reasons to amplify their cowardly self-deprecation.
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Don't underestimate the media role also.

Al Jazeera English has ruined their ability to deploy rationality and simple logical reasoning.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
A lot of self-deprecating insecure Pakistani retards in the west who want validation from others and view their own life as worthless. Cowards to their bones.

PTIs fanbase attracts them the most and feeds them with politicial reasons to amplify their cowardly self-deprecation.
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Sad but true. These type of Pakistanis ALWAYS promotes the interests of non-Pakistani Muslims but will NEVER support or do ANYTHING for their own fellow Pakistani Muslims.
 
Goenitz said:
So, corruption, installing compromised people on top like IWT person, sharing list IK Gujral, or ISI operative in E. Punjab, or PPP role in East Pakistan, or Eint-se-Eint, Dawn leaks, money laundering, benami foreign account, Layari gang, MQM amman committee, Zulfiqar, tangay kanp rahi thi, Ghosht noch k kha gaey, etc are not anti-Pakistan.

Unless it is taking up arms against the country, everything is fine as it can be dealt with through legal procedure and narrative building. Questioning the government is not being anti-GoP.

If the govt is capable and rooted in the public, it can convince the entire population that why bombing Afghanistan is generally all right.

PMLN and PPP won't care even if the entire Pak gets burned, at least Asif said that the ambassador about the drone strikes. So, their compliance is not consensus.
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For every single one of those incidents, the entire of Pakistan condemned them and they were ostracized even within their own party. Not so today.

And I would not say "it's all fine unless it is taking up arms". You are hollowing out the country from within by doing the enemy propaganda. This is the situation on hand. You can keep on saying "well they are not listening to my political demands thus I will do what I must". This is that "burn it all down" charge that gets placed on the people of that one political persuasion and that charge is not wrong. You see it today on Twitter/X with their handles attacking Pakistan at the behest of Afghans.

I don't agree with the treatment being meted out to IK or his family, but that does not give his base the right to turn anti-state/anti-Pakistan. Sharif and Zardari families did their time in jail (and they too claimed innocence) and their support base could also have started turning anti-state en masse. But it did not. Therein lies the difference.

I respect our political differences, but we are all PAKISTANIS first before we are Muslim Leagy, Jiyalay, Insafians, Haq Parast, Pashtun Tahaffuzi etc. etc. Defending Pakistan and protecting its image is above our political loyalties.
 
"It is the nature of Afghans that they will stay with you either out of greed or out of fear—these are its foundations. They never stay with you because of equality or respect. You can suppress them or buy them; they will keep walking with you. But the day you no longer have these two tools, or your enemy offers them more money than you, that day they will slit your throat. And at that moment, they will forget all your good deeds.Just like how Pakistan's 40 years of service and goodwill were forgotten.

The Afghan Taliban, seeing India's money and Israel's technology, believe they will break Pakistan with the help of TTP and BLA and turn it into Greater Afghanistan. Even if they sign a written agreement not to use Afghan soil against Pakistan, they won't stop—they'll keep it up from time to time because loyalty or keeping promises is not in their DNA.There's only one way to deal with them: power or money.

America is getting away by paying money, while we have no choice but power. You will have to stand up to them, or else these freeloaders won't even leave you able to sit."

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Blain2 said:
The thing is that a lot of footage on the strikes isn't from DB-110 pods. So I suspect JF-17s, UCAVs are being employed with their targeting pods.

As far as the munitions, I suspect American hardware is being used sparingly keeping it reserved for the RSS bigots across the border. I suspect only selectively some of American origin munitions are being used.

These operations should also give opportunity to the PAF to use locally developed guidance kits (GIDS) on conventional MK bombs.
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I saw an analysis of one of the video feeds on Twitter, it was an ex-LM guy.

It was a Sniper pod, based on the indications and markings on the video itself (the blast radius circle, change of laser status etc etc). Can't quite find the post.
 

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Jango said:
I saw an analysis of one of the video feeds on Twitter, it was an ex-LM guy.

It was a Sniper pod, based on the indications and markings on the video itself (the blast radius circle, change of laser status etc etc). Can't quite find the post.
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Yes, I forgot to mention that it has been a combo of some Sniper and some of the newer generation DB-110s that came with Blk-52s and MLUs. Perhaps the non-MLU Jordanian F-16s are running with the Sniper pod. My memory is hazy.
 
Afghans were our "friends" for their own interest during the Soviet war, we were "friends" with Afghans for our own political and military goals during that era

Through out the time we have had love and hate relationship with them not because "muslim muslim brothers" but purely on political and military goals, the same goes for them, they have been friends with America, Pakistan, India, Iran, China and what not as long as it's in line with their own goals

As far as i am concerned, they were/are our enemies, we gave them shelter, new life, status and they never spare a moment to bite us back with venom

by the way, graveyard of empires while maybe true but i think majority if not all such "victories" were always when they were supported by motive of some other power not 100% on their own
 
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