Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Cipher212]

we should reform administration in this country for fairer representation for provinces i think some grivences are correct but these BLA and TTP are parasities whnich can only be wiped out b y bombs

Could start with breaking up Balochistan into smaller provinces but again, can we expect to dump some real money on this in our current position?

A few very helpful options to counter the above is to kick ALL afghandus out of Pakistan. Legal or illegal. A mass bombing of the entire afghan infrastructure including hospitals, water storage facilities, homes, shops etc. Kill as many of them as we can.

Oy Vey, not so obvious! The goyim will catch on.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It's slowly dawning on all the clowns and idiots that softly softly approaches DONT WORK

RAW hatred works, vengeful brutality works


Hindus, afghans they are all the same, any enemy of Pakistan should be despised


People are stupid, REALLY STUPID

How many people do we lose to terrorism in a year?????

Add it up, in a whole year it may be a few hundred security, a few hundred civilians and maybe a few thousand terrorists

And that's for a nation of 250 MILLION, more people will falling off ladders, tens of thousands will die in traffic accidents




And people are daft enough to think the nation will collapse because a handful of people die IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE mostly



We keep making the same stupid stupid mistake, of trying to treat our nation like it's Switzerland or something, applying democracy and human rights when our people are very very tribal, ethnocentric and brutal


They need a much more dominating and forceful state that dominates over everything else



It's taken us decades to start kicking out Afghans,, now finish it THROW THEM ALL OUT

Clear out your prisons, execute everyone

Start making people DISAPPEAR and start a much more brutal bombing campaign across Afghanistan of population centers in response to terrorism

Keep the Hindus into he cross hairs but be ruthless against the Afghans and BLA Baloch types

Another problem is that Pakistanis are too apologetic and reluctant to express Pakistani nationalism and patriotism along with our national interests. This ONLY emboldens our enemies and the haters. You know what F**K the haters and enemies, Pakistan all the way. Pakistan ZINDABAD, Pakistan FOREVER.

 

[hussain0216]

Another problem is that Pakistanis are too apologetic and reluctant to express Pakistani nationalism and patriotism along with our national interests. This ONLY emboldens our enemies and the haters. You know what F**K the haters and enemies, Pakistan all the way. Pakistan ZINDABAD, Pakistan FOREVER.

People keep bringing up Bangladesh,,

Bangladesh was a thousand miles away, and we had to try and project power, which even the worlds superpower is finding it difficult to do

Even then, Pakistan was brutal and we should be proud of that

The target for us with the Hindus and we killed thousands of them, and thousands more ran to India

It kept Bangladesh a free Muslim state as per partition

What we did was right and against our enemies we need to replicate it and be utterly ruthless

A terrorist will blow something up, kill a police man

And JF17 can blow up entire Afghan neighbourhoods and kill multiple afghani scum

A Shaheen 2 with a heavy warhead can be big holes in Kabul or Kandahar


We can do so much more and we do the absolute Minimum against our enemies



Even against India, PAF shot down 7-8 Indian planes last year, but they could have shot down 20-30, and IAF were dead in the air and had no idea what hit them

The whole strategic restraint is BULLSHIT, it just encourages enemies

 

[hussain0216]

I tried to explain this in the Kashmir thread also

Stop fcuking allowing ethnocentric stupidity to cause chaos, as soon as any group starts to blackmail the state or create propaganda against Pakistan

The hammer should fall with multiple arrests, and long long sentences including death sentences for sedition


That ANP son of whore, can make a speech about destroying the durrand line

Then why the fcuk is he still breathing, why isn't he in jail


You show weakness and it only encourages your enemy

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

People keep bringing up Bangladesh,,

Bangladesh was a thousand miles away, and we had to try and project power, which even the worlds superpower is finding it difficult to do

Even then, Pakistan was brutal and we should be proud of that

The target for us with the Hindus and we killed thousands of them, and thousands more ran to India

It kept Bangladesh a free Muslim state as per partition

What we did was right and against our enemies we need to replicate it and be utterly ruthless

A terrorist will blow something up, kill a police man

And JF17 can blow up entire Afghan neighbourhoods and kill multiple afghani scum

A Shaheen 2 with a heavy warhead can be big holes in Kabul or Kandahar


We can do so much more and we do the absolute Minimum against our enemies



Even against India, PAF shot down 7-8 Indian planes last year, but they could have shot down 20-30, and IAF were dead in the air and had no idea what hit them

The whole strategic restraint is BULLSHIT, it just encourages enemies

Pakistani restraint BS NEEDS to STOP IMMEDIATELY. Pakistan needs to destroy the afghan infrastructure. Target hospitals, water plants, food storage plants etc. Kill.as many afghandus as possible. Every Pakistani life lost needs to be avenged with unaliving 1000 afghandus.

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistani restraint BS NEEDS to STOP IMMEDIATELY. Pakistan needs to destroy the afghan infrastructure. Target hospitals, water plants, food storage plants etc. Kill.as many afghandus as possible. Every Pakistani life lost needs to be avenged with unaliving 1000 afghandus.

Once the Afghans realise

That they can attack a Pakistani police outpost, but in response Pakistan will wipe out entire neighborhoods

Destroy multiple Afghan infrastructure, then Afghans WILL BE FORCED TO STOP

Because they CANT invade Pakistan, when they come in numbers they are slaughtered
Pakistan can put FC and police on high alert

Afghans just don't have that ability, and when the choice for them is their own infrastructure and population or random pointless attacks against Pakistan, then even they will be forced to back off



It is our OWN FAULT we haven't forced this equation upon Afghanistan,

 

[reader2026]

CM KPK has approved military operations in eight districts of the province: Khyber, Tank, Kurram, Bajaur, Kohat, Lakki Marwat, Bannu, and Waziristan.

No source in the major press?

 

[reader2026]

Yeah but it's a lot easier said than done. You are talking about millions of people in areas the size of small countries.

Be honest mate, you are a Pashtun and an Afghan apologist or sympathizer. It's clear from your posts.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Be honest mate, you are a Pashtun and an Afghan apologist or sympathizer. It's clear from your posts.

I'm literally not, you haven't read enough of my posts if you believe that. Search my posts with the keyword Afghanistan/Afghan/Pashtun if you think that

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Once the Afghans realise

That they can attack a Pakistani police outpost, but in response Pakistan will wipe out entire neighborhoods

Destroy multiple Afghan infrastructure, then Afghans WILL BE FORCED TO STOP

Because they CANT invade Pakistan, when they come in numbers they are slaughtered
Pakistan can put FC and police on high alert

Afghans just don't have that ability, and when the choice for them is their own infrastructure and population or random pointless attacks against Pakistan, then even they will be forced to back off



It is our OWN FAULT we haven't forced this equation upon Afghanistan,

Pakistan needs to carry out a MASS-SLAUGHTER of the afghandus. No more Mr nice guy. Let these afghandu sons of prostitutes have it. Bomb their shops, hospitals and everything else.

 

[The Sundance Kid]

I want to say something controversial but what I think is apparent.

Balochs from the very first day have been heavily pro-independence but even Pashtuns and Punjabis are not a compatible ethnic group tbh. From a historical, social, culture, ethnic perspective they have never had good ties and if anything viewed each other negatively. At least the Pashtuns have of Punjabis.

You could give them equal rights, which you have given their disproportionate representation, but a large section of them will never want to accept a country of majority Punjabis, they are by nature dominant if you see Afghanistan or their own localities.

Now you are going to war against a country that's seen as Pashtun-dominant which will cause a bigger split in opinion.

If we are brutally honest, they have never had good opinions or thoughts of Punjabis in the way Punjabis like to suck up to them. And the tensions will grow with Afghan intrusions and Indian support. Outside the defence nerds, do you expect tribals and normies to side with Pakistan or Pashtun-run Afghanistan?

It’s not black and white. Remember punjab peoples(ethnic not the province) are only 35-37% - not a majority.

Neither Pashtuns, Balochi or even punjab are a monolith. There are deep tribal divisions and for groups like Pashtuns and Balochis, tribal and even sub clan loyalty supersedes any pan-ethnic framework.

Regarding compatibility - by the same token these ethnic groups aren’t even compatible with themselves.

If the worlds borders were redrawn on ethnic lines, these groups countries would be premier failed states - just like Somalia which despite being ethnically homogenous, is what it is.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

It’s not black and white. Remember punjab peoples(ethnic not the province) are only 35-37% - not a majority.

Neither Pashtuns, Balochi or even punjab are a monolith. There are deep tribal divisions and for groups like Pashtuns and Balochis, tribal and even sub clan loyalty supersedes any pan-ethnic framework.

Regarding compatibility - by the same token these ethnic groups aren’t even compatible with themselves.

If the worlds borders were redrawn on ethnic lines, these groups countries would be premier failed states - just like Somalia which despite being ethnically homogenous, is what it is.

That's also a fair perspective, not sure how accurate those percentages are though since ethnically Indic groups overlaps even more

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Anyway moving on with that being said, Pakistan needs a more aggressive security posture that can assert itself more firmly especially against Western-border threats that are running wild. Defensiveness will be a slow death.

You can only do this via a more nationalistic society to provide a strong counter to Afghan and sub-nationalist aggression.

It doesn't help that Pakistan's politics, institutions and economy are completely captured by the feudal elite who are selfishly running them into the ground to enrich themselves without any care for the country

 

[Distant_Observer]

Anyway moving on with that being said, Pakistan needs a more aggressive security posture that can assert itself more firmly especially against Western-border threats that are running wild. Defensiveness will be a slow death.

You can only do this via a more nationalistic society to provide a strong counter to Afghan and sub-nationalist aggression.

It doesn't help that Pakistan's politics, institutions and economy are completely captured by the feudal elite who are selfishly running them into the ground to enrich themselves without any care for the country

Every few months militants assemble en mass in balochistan or FATA and there is a grand operation to smoke them out.

This has been a repeating cycle. Why are enemy combatants allowed to form strongholds and positions within Pakistani territory in the first place?

The eastern border is so tightly managed but on the west up to 500 combatants are able to organise with a supply of weapons and ammo and it goes unnoticed until there is are enough casualities to warrant an operation.

This is why FC should be pulled back and regular infantry should be sent at a full war time scale. There should be UN peacekeepers deployed in Afghanistan border areas who will work in close collaboration with Pakistani forces to keep the peace.

 

[Oscar]

The problem people are not seeing is that Pakistan is taking some credible steps -but those steps are being done independently because Pakistan does not have the capacity to enforce what is needed across the spectrum.

Right now the approach is bounded asymmetric containment - not all out conflict because you do not want the Taliban, TTP and general Afghan including Tajik elements and so on to unite all in all against Pakistan.. the TTA are doing their best to paint this narrative.

There is a clear demand - which is no TTP operational bases, training areas, arms depots, or leadership safe haven in Afghanistan and currently Pakistan is killing commanders, disrupting depots, raising Taliban costs, and improving deterrence at particular locations but nothing decisive is happening. Even these limited operations cost you around $15-20 million per DAY.

Part of this issue is that you are attacking but also have no armor on yourself -border control is still lax, intelligence fusion is laughable across institutions, policing in the primary border state is politically antagonistic due to PTI issue, vulnerable targets are only half protected and efforts at countering financial support have not worked out. Forget the fact that the TTA are actively letting TTP recruitment happen for a variety of self perseveration reasons as well.

Then, even when potential off ramps have been provided to the TTA tied to reigning in the TTP the overall structure of TTA means their local commanders and even shura members are simply are not incentivized or in control in general to take action.

Today the Taliban are leveraging India more so as a "we have friends" even when they are losing patience of the Qataris and even the Chinese. If it goes into more escalation then TTA can unleash more of the ethnic angle to seriously undermine Pakistan.

The approach then isn't to attach Afghanistan outright but start properly creating a "fortress Pakistan" first.