Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

"Pakistan wanted to send terrorists to Central Asia, but the Taliban did not accept the request. Pashtun nationalist politician and former member of Pakistan's Senate, Afrasiab Khattak, has said that Pakistan was trying to send terrorists to Central Asia, but according to him, the Taliban did not consider this appropriate and avoided accepting Pakistan's request.

On the other hand, the Taliban have repeatedly emphasized that they will not allow Afghan soil to be used against any country or group, nor will they permit Afghan territory to pose a threat to the security of any other country."


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Your average Pakistani pashtun nationalist, now simping for Afghan Taliban now that they rule Kabul. Only in Pakistan likes of him can become senator!
 
Owen Jones discusses Pakistan and only invites Obaidullah for his one-sided Afghan hot take regarding this conflict? Can you all connect the dots, can you see the games being played outside our borders?

A lot of Pakistanis have their attention focused on the US war in Iran and how Pakistan can rescue the gulf... Rescue yourself first.

We need to be decisive and deal with this problem inside our own border and on our western border once and for all. We cannot allow the threat of frozen conflict on our Eastern flank, hostile entities on to our west - who are facilitating terrorism groups inside Pakistan...

Because as the gulf starts to heat up and things get more desperate, you can bet your chip that our leaders are going to make a strategic mistake and end up embroiled in something that is not our fight.

Coming back to the topic of terrorism inside Pakistan and its root origins (Afghanistan & India). What are the current thoughts of members here?

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We have seen a policy of TTP apologists using the narrative of victimhood - in this forum as well you would have seen people sharing this messaging.

The Taliban have been reciving coaching from India and launched their English language magazine Al Mirsaad. This magazine is primarily a propaganda platform used to praise the Taliban and their efforts inside Afghanistan and that their only mission is to govern Afghanistan, we as Pakistanis know that this is not the case as they have made mention many times that the Kabul government neither recognizes nor respect internationally established borders and boundaries:
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So, focusing solely on Pakistan - we are faced with a hostile neighbor who is wholly fixed on capturing the entirety of Pakistan, supports both overtly and covertly terrorists operating inside Pakistan and now has become closer to Russia and India.

Since the Taliban have gained some diplomatic acceptance, Pakistan is often painted by the Taliban and their mouthpieces as aggressors and this vlog by Owen Jones is a perfect example of a buffoon who has no understanding of the dynamics here getting involved in and giving credence to Taliban deflection.

Taliban often deconstruct any allegations of supporting terrorism by claiming they are fighting AQN and ISIL, this is simply not the case, Pakistan has documented evidence of the Taliban government in Kabul allowing the free flow of militants from ETIM, IMU, TTP among others.

In the 137 articles published in Al-Mirsaad, TTP is only mentioned FOUR times. This editorial silence is crucial to understand the machinations of India and their newfound bedfellows in Kabul.

Pakistan has been crystal clear that TTP sanctuary is the central justification for military operations against Afghanistan, yet just like their masters in Kabul, the editorial team of this "magazine" refuse to engage with the subject. Simply put this is selective framing, and as Pakistanis we are familiar with this tactic deployed oft by our Indian neighbors.

It doesn't take the editor of a broadsheet to understand what is going on here. Its lamentable that despite this clear and present anti-Pakistan narrative and gaining readership among certain sections in the West, our commentators and opinionators in Mass Media, social media and printed media refuse to tackle this weaponized deflection and implication campaign targeted against Pakistan.

One sided perspective as you correctly point out. Absolutely. This is all being done with a clear purpose and intent. By the way, the Afghan Pashtun nationalist doesn't even hold back with his territorial dispute rhetoric. It has become incredibly obvious that the underlying animosity toward Pakistan, much like the sentiment we often see from India, is deeply rooted in these long standing territorial disputes.

Given these dynamics, Pakistan needs to remain completely steadfast. Our people live here, and we know the ground realities that we have to deal with on a daily basis. The strategic goal moving forward should be clear and uncompromising, we need to establish a secure buffer zone inside Afghanistan and focus entirely on repatriating every last Afghan refugee back to their home country. Pakistan cannot afford to compromise on our national security and demographic stability any longer.
 
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One sided perspective as you correctly point out. Absolutely. This is all being done with a clear purpose and intent. By the way, the Afghan Pashtun nationalist doesn't even hold back with his territorial dispute rhetoric. It has become incredibly obvious that the underlying animosity toward Pakistan, much like the sentiment we often see from India, is deeply rooted in these long-standing territorial disputes.
Given these dynamics, Pakistan needs to remain completely steadfast. We live here, and we know the ground realities that we have to deal with on a daily basis. The strategic goal moving forward should be clear and uncompromising, we need to establish a secure buffer zone inside Afghanistan and focus entirely on repatriating every last Afghan refugee back to their home country. We cannot afford to compromise on our national security and demographic stability any longer.
Obaidullah is a University Professor in Kabul and a Taliban mouthpiece.
 
"Pakistan wanted to send terrorists to Central Asia, but the Taliban did not accept the request. Pashtun nationalist politician and former member of Pakistan's Senate, Afrasiab Khattak, has said that Pakistan was trying to send terrorists to Central Asia, but according to him, the Taliban did not consider this appropriate and avoided accepting Pakistan's request.

On the other hand, the Taliban have repeatedly emphasized that they will not allow Afghan soil to be used against any country or group, nor will they permit Afghan territory to pose a threat to the security of any other country."


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Your average Pakistani pashtun nationalist, now simping for Afghan Taliban now that they rule Kabul. Only in Pakistan likes of him can become senator!


It is wild watching the total 180 degree flip from some of these clean shaved Afghan nationalists lately.

Think about it, just a few years ago, these were the exact same voices who couldn't stand the Taliban regime, rightfully calling them out while blasting Pakistan for backing them. Fast forward to today, and suddenly it’s a lovefest. They are practically cheering for the Taliban regime, carrying water for their catastrophic policies on girls' education and shifting 100% of the blame onto Pakistan for literally any domestic opposition the Taliban faces.

The hypocrisy is getting impossible to ignore. How do you go from fierce opposition to absolute apologist like behavior just because the seats of power shifted? It feels like actual Afghan nationalism and selective amnesia.
 
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Obaidullah is a University Professor in Kabul and a Taliban mouthpiece.

He is, but he also often claims that he doesn't agree with every Taliban policy. This guy is a Pashtun nationalist and like his Hindutva brethren he believes that certain Pakistani territories belong to Afghanistan.
 
He is, but he also often claims that he doesn't agree with every Taliban policy. This guy is a Pashtun nationalist and like his Hindutva brethren he believes that certain Pakistani territories belong to Afghanistan.
And that makes him an enemy of Pakistan, plain and simple!
 
He is, but he also often claims that he doesn't agree with every Taliban policy. This guy is a Pashtun nationalist and like his Hindutva brethren he believes that certain Pakistani territories belong to Afghanistan.
Obaidullah and this guy are identical in political beliefs.

Obaidullah built his public image as a liberal in opposition to the Taliban, which he doesn't truly believe in so now he can't openly say "I'm a supporter of the Taliban and their policies because of XYZ". He subverts spaces opposed to the Taliban in favour of the Taliban.
 
Badakhshan episode was a start of eventual demise of current Taliban regime. And this time Afghanistan borders may not stay intact.

Stupid afghan pashtun once again will loss in their hatred of Pakistan. Fact is Afghan pashtuns cannot rule Afghanistan without good will of Pakistan. The moment these bastards get to Kabul, they start their delusions of getting Pak lands.

but baap baap hota hai
 
Turkey is an excellent case study
Srilanka
Even India is good case study how to deal with difficult insurgency

Pakistan is also an excellent case study on incompetence and total failure
Wrong

Their populations are different

The state can absolutely brutalise any enemy and the population will rejoice


For Pakistan, our population cries because afghanis are suffering, or BLA Baloch are our naraz brothers, or we should be gentle with their population, or it's all the state and armys fault



We can deal with this easily, if our awam werent so jahil and useless
 
"Pakistan wanted to send terrorists to Central Asia, but the Taliban did not accept the request. Pashtun nationalist politician and former member of Pakistan's Senate, Afrasiab Khattak, has said that Pakistan was trying to send terrorists to Central Asia, but according to him, the Taliban did not consider this appropriate and avoided accepting Pakistan's request.

On the other hand, the Taliban have repeatedly emphasized that they will not allow Afghan soil to be used against any country or group, nor will they permit Afghan territory to pose a threat to the security of any other country."


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Your average Pakistani pashtun nationalist, now simping for Afghan Taliban now that they rule Kabul. Only in Pakistan likes of him can become senator!


What I don't understand is that if he loves afghandustan so much, why doesn't he just leave Pakistan and go and live there? No-one is forcing him to stay in Pakistan.
 
Turkey is an excellent case study
Srilanka
Even India is good case study how to deal with difficult insurgency

Pakistan is also an excellent case study on incompetence and total failure
This is ironic coming from you all of people even though the point is not wrong.

Because you are one of the first to cry your heart out on this very forum if the Pakistani military does remotely similar to what they did.

I hope you know the level of civilian collareral of both of their strategies
 
This is ironic coming from you all of people even though the point is not wrong.

Because you are one of the first to cry your heart out on this very forum if the Pakistani military does remotely similar to what they did.

I hope you know the level of civilian collareral of both of their strategies

If Pakistan did what Turkey or sri lanka or even India did,, these sobs will cry their eyes out

Massive amounts of propaganda will be spewed, blaming the Pakistani military, blah blah civilians, blah blah injustice
Endless amount of shit will come out

These clowns are a threat to our own country, because they don't understand national interests, sovereignty, or how to deal with a enemy



What I don't understand is that if he loves afghandustan so much, why doesn't he just leave Pakistan and go and live there? No-one is forcing him to stay in Pakistan.

This is whats called dual propaganda

These bastards are one side of the coin, spewing propaganda and narrative for the jahil local idiots

Then TTP and BLA provide the violence


You can't defeat a insurgency, by only targeting BLA and TTP, until you go after these ethnocentric extremists spreading the narrative and propaganda



In the Kashmir thread, I was desperately trying to make this point, don't let ANYONE especially JAAC or whatever to start the usual ethnocentric crap Baloch and pashtuns do (not all of course)

Don't make the state bend to these groups

Crush them and destroy them, let them piss off to India or Afghanistan, drag out anyone spreading any anti Pakistan narrative

Pakistan needs to be firm
 
If Pakistan did what Turkey or sri lanka or even India did,, these sobs will cry their eyes out

Massive amounts of propaganda will be spewed, blaming the Pakistani military, blah blah civilians, blah blah injustice
Endless amount of shit will come out

These clowns are a threat to our own country, because they don't understand national interests, sovereignty, or how to deal with a enemy





This is whats called dual propaganda

These bastards are one side of the coin, spewing propaganda and narrative for the jahil local idiots

Then TTP and BLA provide the violence


You can't defeat a insurgency, by only targeting BLA and TTP, until you go after these ethnocentric extremists spreading the narrative and propaganda



In the Kashmir thread, I was desperately trying to make this point, don't let ANYONE especially JAAC or whatever to start the usual ethnocentric crap Baloch and pashtuns do (not all of course)

Don't make the state bend to these groups

Crush them and destroy them, let them piss off to India or Afghanistan, drag out anyone spreading any anti Pakistan narrative

Pakistan needs to be firm


What I don't get is that they believe in pusthun and afghandu nationalism yet want to live in Pakistan???????.......if they love their ethno-nationalism and hate Pakistan so much then why don't they F**k off to afghandustan, india or WHEREVER else their ethnicity comes from. NO-ONE is forcing them to stay in Pakistan.

IF ANYONE is promoting ethnocentrism or advocating separatism in Pakistan then eliminate them, their supporters and families. Leave NO trace of their physical existence in this world. F**k all of them.
 

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