Operation True Promise II - dozens of Iranian ballistic missiles hit Israel

[Ali_Baba]

2. Demonstrated to Zio-US for sure on the accuracy and penetration capability of Iranian missiles. Those 35 hits on the Zionist airbase where 80% found a suitable target will have been noted.

>> The level of actual destruction that hurts was very low in that attack relative to the cost of the attack. We can see that Iran lacks precision to cause actual harm, compared to what Israel will be able to do. That is the problem that Iran has right now and larger warheads wont solve that problem. Iran will have to review its approach and strategy as deterrence is lost when the cost is not there.

 

[UKBengali]

>> The level of actual destruction that hurts was very low in that attack relative to the cost of the attack. We can see that Iran lacks precision to cause actual harm, compared to what Israel will be able to do. That is the problem that Iran has right now and larger warheads wont solve that problem. Iran will have to review its approach and strategy as deterrence is lost when the cost is not there.

Disagree.

Satellite photos showed 80% of the missiles hit something useful like hanger or taxiway/runway. One hangar had a small hole and that looks like a missile with inert warhead was used. Fit that with 1 ton of high explosive and that hanger and the two on either side would be destroyed.

Statistically with the high amounts of hits on a suitable target demonstrates a CEP of most Iranian missiles from 10-30m. that is enough with 1 -1.5 tonne warheads to cause real damage if the intention was there.

If they sent in larger warheads and far more of them, like totally saturate the Zio-US shield and so vast majority of the missiles get through, then real damage would be done.

 

[vmro]

Yeah, and he killed Soleimani and bombed Syria.

But at least he said clearly, unlike democrats hypocrites.

And that was pretty stupid decision with not actual gains... general Soleimani is mastermind and creator of IRI Quds as Iranian long handed imperial fist, man with unprecedented importance for Iranian cause... But he already finished his project and was before his deserved retirement as hero.... Trump said one smart thing than, Soleimani had to be eliminated long time ago... and then, unprecedented open attack from one nation to us military, historical event in own way...with no further escalation...end of the day was Iranian victory on points in this lethal game...

Those are that miscalculations I am talking about...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Are not some facilities to produce missiles already underground anyway?

Also some of the missile production sites would be hundreds of kms deep into Iran and are likely to be very well guarded with dense air defences, that it is unlikely to do much more than light damage anyway as there is only so many ALBMs they have to launch at this one time and range will be a factor. ALBMs will need to be saved for future planned attacks.

I cannot see any fighters flying over Iran to drop bombs or even launch missiles from just outside its territory.

Iran retaliation will also be another factor to consider.

Israel can fire Rocks/Sparrow ALBM with 1500km+ range

Iran does not have proven anti-ballistic missile defences

we have to assume anything above ground cannot be defended

 

[UKBengali]

Israel can fire Rocks/Sparrow ALBM with 1500km+ range

Iran does not have proven anti-ballistic missile defences

we have to assume anything above ground cannot be defended

Yes but how many does the entity have?

Probably not more than some low hundreds and again some sites in Iran will still be inaccesible to them due to vast size of Iran and launch position.

They would be foolish to use up their entire stock in one go.

As for Iran anti ballistic missile capability, well one Iranian user thinks Bavar-373 is better than even S-400 and he gave a lot of technical details. S-400 has had some success in intercepting SRBMs in Ukraine.

 

[BHAN85]

And that was pretty stupid decision with not actual gains... general Soleimani is mastermind and creator of IRI Quds as Iranian long handed imperial fist, man with unprecedented importance for Iranian cause... But he already finished his project and was before his deserved retirement as hero.... Trump said one smart thing than, Soleimani had to be eliminated long time ago... and then, unprecedented open attack from one nation to us military, historical event in own way...with no further escalation...end of the day was Iranian victory on points in this lethal game...

Those are that miscalculations I am talking about...

But I think those are not Trump decisions. It's USA deep state decisions.

I think Trump, any current POTUS, real power is very tiny.

 

[Immortals]

Qaani went from being killed in Beirut to being arrested by Iran and interviewed to having a heart attack

hard to keep up with these crazy stories changing every day

Iran said he's going to be awarded the Fath medal soon so we will see (or not)

@Immortals

It’s been an interesting saga thus far.

Sooner or later Qaani will show up.

 

[vmro]

Israel can fire Rocks/Sparrow ALBM with 1500km+ range

Iran does not have proven anti-ballistic missile defences

we have to assume anything above ground cannot be defended

If actually exists proven anti-balistic missile defense....Good system is anything about 50-60%... Importance of Nevatim base that is most heavily protected base, with every possible layers of defenses... They not so long time ago talked about base that even area around base is impossible to be in danger...

But that base, to say kindly, didn't prove any expectations...if they make substantial damage to Iranian military, answer can be iranian dirty bombing attack on Israeli military...if they attack civilian targets, answer should be adequate....

But I am almost sure that are now, in this time, ongoing negotiations iran-pentagon about details of face-saving operation that will not create Iranian unavoidable devastating answer....

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes but how many does the entity have?

Probably not more than some low hundreds and again some sites in Iran will still be inaccesible to them due to vast size of Iran and launch position.

They would be foolish to use up their entire stock in one go.

As for Iran anti ballistic missile capability, well one Iranian user thinks Bavar-373 is better than even S-400 and he gave a lot of technical details. S-400 has had some success in intercepting SRBMs in Ukraine.

Bavar-373 is not widely deployed yet and its ability to intercept MRBM is not proven. Same for s-400 (which Iran doesn't have anyway)

 

[vmro]

But I think those are not Trump decisions. It's USA deep state decisions.

I think Trump, any current POTUS, real power is very tiny.

And in the end, they selected de-escalation and officers were angry about assassination... I agree potus have limited power, in other case, we would already have major conflict usa-iran... Pentagon is not under their full control, for sure, there are soldier with respect for Iranian colleagues...and Iran is credible partner to deal with... biggest problems are corrupted politicians and msm empire...

 

[BHAN85]

And in the end, they selected de-escalation and officers were angry about assassination... I agree potus have limited power, in other case, we would already have major conflict usa-iran... Pentagon is not under their full control, for sure, there are soldier with respect for Iranian colleagues...and Iran is credible partner to deal with... biggest problems are corrupted politicians and msm empire...

There are several power groups in USA, more powerful than politicians.

Industrial military complex: They are happy when bombs are dropped, no matter if it's dropped in a empty Afghanistan cave.

Wall St bankers: They are happy if everybody uses USD, and raw materials / energy consumption keeps low.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Despite the fact that many Democratic supporters are angry at Biden's unconditional support for Israel's genocidal acts,
A succession of hard-liners backed by Jewish capital have won the Democratic primaries, and not only Biden but also Harris has changed his attitude and made his subservience to Israel clear.
This is the true state of democracy according to the United States.
If you remove the influence of factions from elections, as in Russia, you will be bombed by the U.S. or face a coup d'etat, etc.

 

[jauk]

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missile production sites ultimately need to be moved underground

Caution: propaganda and misinformation. Nobody knows anything and those who know will disinform.

 

[BHAN85]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/11/world/putin-pezeshkian-russia-iran-intl/index.html

 

[vmro]

Caution: propaganda and misinformation. Nobody knows anything and those who know will disinform.

But this is forum, we just express our opinion, mods are in charge if we are posting anti-iranian propaganda...

My position is based on previous experience, after Iranin first attack, israelis at first overreacted with deadly threats to Iran, but their counterattack was measured to not provoke Iranian anger with devastating answer, and story they served for public was overrated presentation of Israelis action, and in Israel was rated as good because Americans asked for avoiding clashes with Iran, for more freedom in Gaza/Lebanon front...

Thats why I am almost sure that in election year, usa cant risk wide conflict, they will declare victory in the media, and Israel will hails gained freedom in their neighborhood... face-saving operation that would not put Iran in situation of unavoidable devastating answer....