Operation True Promise II - dozens of Iranian ballistic missiles hit Israel

[BlutUndEhre44]

"Last 100 years" rules out nuclear strikes. I am of the opinion that tactical nukes may be used to break into some of the deeper bunkers and command centers, and perhaps the nuclear facilities. I think more importantly, Mossad agents within the IRGC will detonate some of the missile cities. The organization is compromised on a level that is hard to imagine, but astute observers can extrapolate based on the number of blunders the Resistance Axis has been committing for the past six months.

I am of the belief that something absolutely shattering will happen and the Islamic Republic will have a hard time responding because most of its means would have been taken off the table by the time Israel and the U.S. are done.

 

[StrategicBear]

"Last 100 years" rules out nuclear strikes. I am of the opinion that tactical nukes may be used to break into some of the deeper bunkers and command centers, and perhaps the nuclear facilities. I think more importantly, Mossad agents within the IRGC will detonate some of the missile cities. The organization is compromised on a level that is hard to imagine, but astute observers can extrapolate based on the number of blunders the Resistance Axis has been committing for the past six months.

I am of the belief that something absolutely shattering will happen and the Islamic Republic will have a hard time responding because most of its means would have been taken off the table by the time Israel and the U.S. are done.

If that's the case, Iran needs to be ready for a preemptive strike as soon as possible. Biden did said "After all has happened, we get a chance to see a stop of the back and forth"...

Meaning, the Israelis will use tactical nukes and bunker busters to wipe out most if not all of Iran's underground missile cities...

So, it is wise to get all missiles on firing position now and treat it as a war situation already...

Those infidels don't play by the book or rules, so why should Iran?

For survival, and for starters, Iran should just make the move now and History will judge Iran favorably even if eventually nuked(rather than waiting to get nuked inevitably and losing all means of retaliation)but took a stand against a rogue state genociding a group of people as the only Middle Eastern country heroic enough to do so.

Therefore, please take their nuclear threats seriously and don't lose all means to retaliate decisively. Iran is the only hope of all the Muslim Ummah now, as only she has the courage and technology to oppose Israel now.

 

[BlutUndEhre44]

If that's the case, Iran needs to be ready for a preemptive strike as soon as possible. Biden did said "After all has happened, we get a chance to see a stop of the back and forth"...

Meaning, the Israelis will use tactical nukes and bunker busters to wipe out most if not all of Iran's underground missile cities...

So, it is wise to get all missiles on firing position now and treat it as a war situation already...

Those infidels don't play by the book or rules, so why should Iran?

For survival, and for starters, Iran should just make the move now and History will judge Iran favorably even if eventually nuked(rather than waiting to get nuked inevitably and losing all means of retaliation)but took a stand against a rogue state genociding a group of people as the only Middle Eastern country heroic enough to do so.

Therefore, please take their nuclear threats seriously and don't lose all means to retaliate decisively. Iran is the only hope of all the Muslim Ummah now, as only she has the courage and technology to oppose Israel now.

I think they have assets in the IRGC that will take care of the missile cities without resorting to tactical nukes. They will likely use tactical nukes, but to take out command and control, and nuclear facilities. I think we're about to see an unimaginably spectacular decapitation strike where actual members of the IRGC and army, with ties to Mossad and opposition, will be taking out targets within the nezaam. This retaliation isn't meant to hit Iran or teach it a lesson, it's meant to remove the threat for good. They are aiming to destroy the Islamic Republic, and with everything Washington has done over the past year, it's clear to me that that's Washington's goal as well- with plausible deniability.

Iran should have pre-emptively struck already. Iran should have enforced its red lines. It should have retaliated meaningfully against the assassinations of allies. It hasn't, it's shown indecision, paralysis and weakness every time, with taciturn retaliations signalling to Tel Aviv that they can continue. They will, Jewish people are very vindictive and destructive against their enemies- this is evident going back to veterotestamentary texts. Iran missed too many opportunities to set limits and enforce its allies, and here we are. On the verge of the disintegration of the Islamic Republic. One can only hope the transition to what's next does not involve ethnic civil war or territorial concessions. Given the amount of attention and backing Pahlavi has gotten over the past couple of months, I am becoming certain that the goal isn't to balkanize Iran, but to keep Iran intact and shift it to the Western sphere of influence. Perhaps the islands would be given to the Arabs, and perhaps there will be pressure for an autonomous Kurdish region composed of the predominantly Sunni areas which are generally more receptive to autonomy.

Iran is still debating nukes. It doesn't have nukes. The Supreme Leader stood in the way of that. Somewhere down the line on the escalation ladder, Israel can use nukes. This is why Iran's moves have all been circumscribed by fear- because of Israeli nukes and the certainty that too hard of a push would invite U.S. retaliation in some form. It's kneecapped Iran. Smart leadership would realize that the U.S. wants Israel to do all the heavy lifting as it doesn't have the appetite or money for its own military adventures, and would then address Israel meaningfully so as to preclude that from happening. But we really don't have smart leadership.

 

[vmro]

"Last 100 years" rules out nuclear strikes. I am of the opinion that tactical nukes may be used to break into some of the deeper bunkers and command centers, and perhaps the nuclear facilities. I think more importantly, Mossad agents within the IRGC will detonate some of the missile cities. The organization is compromised on a level that is hard to imagine, but astute observers can extrapolate based on the number of blunders the Resistance Axis has been committing for the past six months.

I am of the belief that something absolutely shattering will happen and the Islamic Republic will have a hard time responding because most of its means would have been taken off the table by the time Israel and the U.S. are done.

This is pure frustration in full effect, after countless impacts of Iran on Israeli field, and one quadcoper strike back, in fantasy you are in ideal world, where Iran is nonexistent term, Israel just destroyed last Hezbollah’s units...Paradise on the earth...

Btw, are you sure that mossad arrested enough of Iranian spies in Israeli intelligence services???

 

[BlutUndEhre44]

This is pure frustration in full effect, after countless impacts of Iran on Israeli field, and one quadcoper strike back, in fantasy you are in ideal world, where Iran is nonexistent term, Israel just destroyed last Hezbollah’s units...Paradise on the earth...

Btw, are you sure that mossad arrested enough of Iranian spies in Israeli intelligence services???

Are you from this planet? No offense but you need to truly appreciate the reality on the ground. Iran's impacts hit a few hangars and runways, perhaps damaged a few F-35s, but much of it is speculation. Even if it significantly damaged the IAF, the USAF is confirmed as a force multiplier- there are USAF birds and pilots flying over Israel right now, likely to be part of the retaliation against Iran. Israel has money pouring into it from the United States, controlled by the Jewish lobby and international finance to subsidize it. Anything Israel loses can be rebuilt shortly. The same cannot be said of Iran or its allies. What Iran loses, it loses forever.

Hezbollah is on its last legs. The organization as a whole has maybe 25,000 active fighters, perhaps another 25,000 part-time fighters. Its entire command structure is destroyed- top brass all dead. Local and brigade-level commanders are being targeted and killed off. Units cannot talk to one another. Radwan Force has been decimated and are dying like flies. Whole Hezbollah squads are surrendering to the IDF. These units can't communicate effectively with one another for a coordinated attack or even defense because communication is severely compromised. The one deterrent Hezbollah had- the mass rocket and missile strike that would saturate Israel- is off the table because there's no command or communication to be able to coordinate something of that magnitude. Hezbollah is literally just a hodgepodge of local units without meaningful leadership engaging in guerilla warfare and being smoked out by the IDF. They have lost literally every single engagement with the IDF thus far. It's hard to truly grasp how badly they have lost because there was a propaganda machine for 20 years milking the 2006 war and convincing people- even Western analysts- that Hezbollah is some unstoppable force. It's not. It's a run of the mill Middle Eastern militia. It's not a real army, and against a real army it would lose every time- as is evident. Its air defense can't do much more that knock out a few drones, and its completely at the mercy of the IAF. They will crumble quicker than Hamas. The IDF also has had a year of anti-asymmetrical warfare experience by now, has ironed out its discipline and competence issues, and has turned into a deadly fighting machine.

The proxies are and always were one-time use cards. This is why neglecting conventional military deterrence for proxies was a disastrous strategic blunder.

 

[Shawnee]

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Sprinter has turned into falsification account

 

[Shawnee]

"Last 100 years" rules out nuclear strikes. I am of the opinion that tactical nukes may be used to break into some of the deeper bunkers and command centers, and perhaps the nuclear facilities. I think more importantly, Mossad agents within the IRGC will detonate some of the missile cities. The organization is compromised on a level that is hard to imagine, but astute observers can extrapolate based on the number of blunders the Resistance Axis has been committing for the past six months.

I am of the belief that something absolutely shattering will happen and the Islamic Republic will have a hard time responding because most of its means would have been taken off the table by the time Israel and the U.S. are done.

Tactical nukes cannot penetrate 100 m into granite mountains.

Toxic gas can be used but staff have oxygen makers.

 

[Shawnee]

Let’s put it this way:

10 MT thermonuclear bombs cannot penetrate 100 m into monutains.

Building and solid granite stones are not the same.

 

[vmro]

Are you from this planet? No offense but you need to truly appreciate the reality on the ground. Iran's impacts hit a few hangars and runways, perhaps damaged a few F-35s, but much of it is speculation. Even if it significantly damaged the IAF, the USAF is confirmed as a force multiplier- there are USAF birds and pilots flying over Israel right now, likely to be part of the retaliation against Iran. Israel has money pouring into it from the United States, controlled by the Jewish lobby and international finance to subsidize it. Anything Israel loses can be rebuilt shortly. The same cannot be said of Iran or its allies. What Iran loses, it loses forever.

Hezbollah is on its last legs. The organization as a whole has maybe 25,000 active fighters, perhaps another 25,000 part-time fighters. Its entire command structure is destroyed- top brass all dead. Local and brigade-level commanders are being targeted and killed off. Units cannot talk to one another. Radwan Force has been decimated and are dying like flies. Whole Hezbollah squads are surrendering to the IDF. These units can't communicate effectively with one another for a coordinated attack or even defense because communication is severely compromised. The one deterrent Hezbollah had- the mass rocket and missile strike that would saturate Israel- is off the table because there's no command or communication to be able to coordinate something of that magnitude. Hezbollah is literally just a hodgepodge of local units without meaningful leadership engaging in guerilla warfare and being smoked out by the IDF. They have lost literally every single engagement with the IDF thus far. It's hard to truly grasp how badly they have lost because there was a propaganda machine for 20 years milking the 2006 war and convincing people- even Western analysts- that Hezbollah is some unstoppable force. It's not. It's a run of the mill Middle Eastern militia. It's not a real army, and against a real army it would lose every time- as is evident. Its air defense can't do much more that knock out a few drones, and its completely at the mercy of the IAF. They will crumble quicker than Hamas. The IDF also has had a year of anti-asymmetrical warfare experience by now, has ironed out its discipline and competence issues, and has turned into a deadly fighting machine.

The proxies are and always were one-time use cards. This is why neglecting conventional military deterrence for proxies was a disastrous strategic blunder.

I don’t know, WashingtonPost and WSJ tell me another story, and who I am to disagree with such sources... You are probably bribed by ircg to spread false sense of triumph, and then Hezbollah can catch idf totally unguarded... But mossad is too smart for you...

 

[BlutUndEhre44]

Tactical nukes cannot penetrate 100 m into granite mountains.

Toxic gas can be used but staff have oxyge

I don’t know, WashingtonPost and WSJ tell me another story, and who I am to disagree with such sources... You are probably bribed by ircg to spread false sense of triumph, and then Hezbollah can catch idf totally unguarded... But mossad is too smart for you...

Washington Post is not the most reputable source in US media. It is better than a lot of the others, but it is not without fault. And citing the fact the Hezbollah is still fighting doesn't mean Hezbollah is winning nor does it negate anything I've said. It just means a lot of them are still fighting. Nonetheless, 3000+ dead Hezbollah, 70 dead IDF in 3 weeks speaks volumes.

 

[vmro]

Washington Post is not the most reputable source in US media. It is better than a lot of the others, but it is not without fault. And citing the fact the Hezbollah is still fighting doesn't mean Hezbollah is winning nor does it negate anything I've said. It just means a lot of them are still fighting. Nonetheless, 3000+ dead Hezbollah, 70 dead IDF in 3 weeks speaks volumes.

Still fighting and escalating, even by msm standards.... And because you are just troll with pointless posts, it may be your better way to go volunteer for IDF, hundreds reservists refused to serve, you can channel your frustration to all-Iranian in practice.... cheers

 

[BlutUndEhre44]

Still fighting and escalating, even by msm standards.... And because you are just troll with pointless posts, its may be your better idea to go volunteer for IDF, hundreds reservists refused to serve, you can channel your frustration to all-Iranian in practice.... cheers

I'm not a troll. Or a Zionist. But if it helps you feel better because I'm not some mindless Islamist stan go ahead.

I think there are better ways to handle Zionism and global Zionist interests than Iran's system and approach.

 

[Alter_Ego]

I think they have assets in the IRGC that will take care of the missile cities without resorting to tactical nukes. They will likely use tactical nukes, but to take out command and control, and nuclear facilities. I think we're about to see an unimaginably spectacular decapitation strike where actual members of the IRGC and army, with ties to Mossad and opposition, will be taking out targets within the nezaam. This retaliation isn't meant to hit Iran or teach it a lesson, it's meant to remove the threat for good. They are aiming to destroy the Islamic Republic, and with everything Washington has done over the past year, it's clear to me that that's Washington's goal as well- with plausible deniability.

Iran should have pre-emptively struck already. Iran should have enforced its red lines. It should have retaliated meaningfully against the assassinations of allies. It hasn't, it's shown indecision, paralysis and weakness every time, with taciturn retaliations signalling to Tel Aviv that they can continue. They will, Jewish people are very vindictive and destructive against their enemies- this is evident going back to veterotestamentary texts. Iran missed too many opportunities to set limits and enforce its allies, and here we are. On the verge of the disintegration of the Islamic Republic. One can only hope the transition to what's next does not involve ethnic civil war or territorial concessions. Given the amount of attention and backing Pahlavi has gotten over the past couple of months, I am becoming certain that the goal isn't to balkanize Iran, but to keep Iran intact and shift it to the Western sphere of influence. Perhaps the islands would be given to the Arabs, and perhaps there will be pressure for an autonomous Kurdish region composed of the predominantly Sunni areas which are generally more receptive to autonomy.

Iran is still debating nukes. It doesn't have nukes. The Supreme Leader stood in the way of that. Somewhere down the line on the escalation ladder, Israel can use nukes. This is why Iran's moves have all been circumscribed by fear- because of Israeli nukes and the certainty that too hard of a push would invite U.S. retaliation in some form. It's kneecapped Iran. Smart leadership would realize that the U.S. wants Israel to do all the heavy lifting as it doesn't have the appetite or money for its own military adventures, and would then address Israel meaningfully so as to preclude that from happening. But we really don't have smart leadership.

I dont think you understand the consequences of using tactical nukes.
Even during the darkest cold war days, when US soldiers were dying in Korean and Vietnam wars en masse, did the US use nuclear weapons. Irans missile attack didnt even hit any civillian infrastructure.

Using tactical nuke is like opening a can of worms. It would lead to huge nuclear proliferation and country after country starting to use nukes on battlefield. The next you know a tactical nuke hits somewhere in Ukraine , next Poland and … well you get the picture.

 

[last-soul]

I dont think you understand the consequences of using tactical nukes.
Even during the darkest cold war days, when US soldiers were dying in Korean and Vietnam wars en masse, did the US use nuclear weapons. Irans missile attack didnt even hit any civillian infrastructure.

Using tactical nuke is like opening a can of worms. It would lead to huge nuclear proliferation and country after country starting to use nukes on battlefield. The next you know a tactical nuke hits somewhere in Ukraine , next Poland and … well you get the picture.

This is spot on. I'm sure Russians would like to wrap up Ukraine sooner than many realise, but are reluctant to use tactical nukes. Striking Iran with one would basically mean gloves are off, and many countries will start using them like candies. Russia being the very first...

 

[tsunset]

If that's the case, Iran needs to be ready for a preemptive strike as soon as possible. Biden did said "After all has happened, we get a chance to see a stop of the back and forth"...

Meaning, the Israelis will use tactical nukes and bunker busters to wipe out most if not all of Iran's underground missile cities...

So, it is wise to get all missiles on firing position now and treat it as a war situation already...

Those infidels don't play by the book or rules, so why should Iran?

For survival, and for starters, Iran should just make the move now and History will judge Iran favorably even if eventually nuked(rather than waiting to get nuked inevitably and losing all means of retaliation)but took a stand against a rogue state genociding a group of people as the only Middle Eastern country heroic enough to do so.

Therefore, please take their nuclear threats seriously and don't lose all means to retaliate decisively. Iran is the only hope of all the Muslim Ummah now, as only she has the courage and technology to oppose Israel now.

The sites (some of them) are made to sustain nuclear strikes and built not only underground but under mountains with a large granite layer before reinforced concrete layer

Iran doesn't store its stockpile of missile and drone on only one or two or three or ten places all vulnerable to bunker busters and nuclear strike