Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Sir is it that easy? PN Ships are in no match for IN Ships but don't you think that PAF can give them tough response. PAF Squadrons at masroor are Anti ship trained and can wreck havoc on IN Ships. It is easy to track IN Ships through satellite as well as MPAs. Only if India causes severe damage to Masroor airbase then maybe the IN can have a chance

Are you sure? Can you provide credible and independent evidence to the links that confirm Pakistani naval ships are no match for the indian naval ships?

PS Your post sounds like the propaganda before May 2025 that the Pakistani airforce is at least 35 years behind the iaf.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Are you sure? Can you provide credible and independent evidence to the links that confirm Pakistani naval ships are no match for the indian naval ships?

PS Your post sounds like the propaganda before May 2025 that the Pakistani airforce is at least 35 years behind the iaf.

Indian navy is not only bigger but has more ships with higher number of displacement. They also have more weapons installed in them. PN modernization started recently. Also IN outmaches PN with way higher number of assets then IAF vs PAF

 

[RajaBaja]

I don't think that should be considered a plausible scenario

I think they want to use the rhetoric of Israel to imply they have this level of superiority

At the end of the day, if they really want that route then they too will get dragged further down and goodbye to development.

The biggest harm to India is access to technological and economic development

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You really have to hit the thought process in Modi's mind, also look into people like him, like Hitler and Natanyahoo for example. These people don't care about loss, humanity and others. They want the other nation gone. Like Modi wants Pakistan and Pakistanis gone. These are religious extremists, just like Taliban and Jews, both killing innocent people for their religious fame.

For India, Modi knows and been assured by the Israelis also to not worry. In the context of this thread, NEVER forget Israeli factor.

- India now has the largest population. Even if a 4-6 month war lasts, and a few million people die, it's not a big deal. India will still be the largest populated nation and everyone would still want to do business with them. They'll be ok in a couple of years. But the threat of Pakistan would've been out for good.

Now I'll give you a glimpse of reality about these people. Did you know Modi's government gives money to startups that spread Hinduism in some fashion? Like Vedic this, that, or, Hindu religious stuff like Cow Dung for example? The world is funding space activities and satellites, they are funding Cow Dung startups. How do you take that?

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Government Planning to Grant 60% Funding for Cow Dung, Urine and Diary Startups​

Chairman of the newly-established Rashtriya Kamdhenu Ayog said that Government is planning to grant 60% initial fund to all the startups focussed on ‘commercializing’ cow urine, cow dung, and dairy.

Pronami Chetia Updated 9 September, 2019 6:02 PM IST

Chairman of the newly-established Rashtriya Kamdhenu Ayog said that Government is planning to grant 60% initial fund to all the startups focussed on ‘commercializing’ cow urine, cow dung, and dairy.

"We will encourage youths to go for cow-based entrepreneurship and earn not only from products like milk and ghee but also by-products like urine and dung that can be used for medicinal and agricultural purposes," Vallabh Kathiria, chairman of the cow board, told media.


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To attract youths and aspiring entrepreneurs towards "cow-based business models", Rashtriya Kamdhenu Ayog has been working since long. Kathiria has met with academicians and interact with students of the Gandhinagar-based Entrepreneurship Development Institute of India to chalk out strategies.


The kamdhenu aayog, set up by the Narendra Modi government in February with an initial corpus of 500 crore, aims to be the growth engine for these new businesses.

Kathiria said "commercialization of cow urine and dung" would encourage people not to discard cows that have stopped giving milk.”

"We will also encourage research on the medicinal value of cow by-products. The board will provide a platform to scholars and researchers to project their research on these by-products. We will also hold training programs and skill development camps for people already running gaushalas," he added.

Earlier also, the board chairman had earlier announced plans to promote a cow tourism circuit.

"The route will wind through areas where indigenous cow breeds are reared. We have identified states like Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Kerala and Goa for this circuit," Kathiria said.
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[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It seems as sabre rattling is going on at a much heightened level from both sides. It also seems as what's coming from India on its media and by its leadership is an all out war, without escalation protocols in place. We'll go deep inside recent events from both sides and open mentions of "war soon" narrative on world media.

Since India has been losing its credibility all over the globe on various issues, it might start to think that the only option to "change world media's attention" is to initiate the "paused" conflict with Pakistan. Just like their air chief started a false narrative of destroying Pakistani jets, just to turn media's attention away.

It is also important to note, Pakistan's economy is almost ready for a vertical flight in the next couple of years with US becoming the largest strategic export and economic partner. In just 3-4 years time, Pakistan's GDP will start to rebalance with its internal efforts on reforms. Therefore, with the GDP increase, will come big increases in defense budgets. So for India, to manage Pakistan in a much stronger capacity with near $20 billion defense budget will become extremely hard. That's why the current timing helps them from this side too.

It should be considered that this time, that India, on purpose, will not listen to Trump or anyone because they have to PROVE to the world that they are a big power without care for any other country. This is a dangerous territory and it almost certainly could mean a nuclear exchange as Pakistan doesn't have strategic depth and secondly, our forces are 1/3rd the size of India. Now to assess how this situation is unfolding, we will start to analyze recent events and statements as they all seem towards war preparations:

Indian Army Chief made media address in a seminar two days ago and said:

1) Next India - Pakistan conflict will happen soon. War is on a pause. No ceasefire. Either side can fire one or salvo of missiles when they want to resume the conflict.

2) Pak Army: A few days ago said, we'll start from the East this time

3) Indian media constantly mentions nuclear installations suggesting India Pakistan can attack each other's nuclear installations because the agreement not to do that, was set back in the 80's when both sides weren't nuclear powers. So at this time, India feels a war is a war.

4) Indian media hype on a next generation Bunker Buster bomb to be used with its missiles. They have previously mentioned trying to attack an area with Brahmos called "Kerana hills" near Sargodha where they think Pakistan has its strategic weapons. This new bunker buster bomb is for deep penetration into such under ground areas.

5) Modi said: A "new" normal has been established, referring to strategic missile use.

6) Pakistan Army Chief and the Army: This time, we'll start from the East and move West. Referring to Indian states with more economic and warfare resources they've kept away from the border.

Another excellent point you made. NEVER EVER trust russia or russians. Iran and other Muslim nations fail to realise this important point. Most israelis are ethnic russians of white european heritage. A lot of the israeli leadership is ethnic russian and a lot of the elite running russia is jewish. WHY on earth would the russians EVER truly want to help Iran, Pakistan or ANY other brown/olive skinned Muslim nation? Also, russia has nothing to offer. Their weapons systems and military are a joke as the ukraine war has shown. They are getting a severe beating by the ukrainians. russia is a dying power. The glory days of the soviet union are long dead. By the way it was ethnic russian jews/zionists who created the soviet union. Most brown/olive skinned Muslims are not aware if this fact.

 

[side-winder]

The issue is, any nation has to sell to it's people first and their people are already sold on the idea of "taking care of the Pakistan issue". "Phull Saport" already.

The message from Modi / RSS to masses is: Revenge from Pakistan = Make up for Mughal empire + Hindutva call to rise in the world + Victimization due to Pehelgam and terrorism. This "mixture narrative" has worked well to 85% Hindu majority.

Yes - Modi doesn't need to create a reason to garner support from masses within India. Most of them loathe Pakistan and would like very much to see Pakistan getting turned into Gaza - no matter what.

It's only for narrative shaping at international level.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indian navy is not only bigger but has more ships with higher number of displacement. They also have more weapons installed in them. PN modernization started recently. Also IN outmaches PN with way higher number of assets then IAF vs PAF

Can you post links to credible and independent evidence that supports all the claims and assertions you have made above?

 

[Maea]

As pointed out by members early, Modi is trying to find a way out of the beating they got in may.

In 2019 they got away with F-16 shot down saar narative, but this time the pain is too much to bear, so they might actually do something stupid.
Cherry on top the pure hatred towards muslim esp. Pakistani is not letting them accept reality.

In 2016 they did phantom surgical strikes using IA
In 2019 they did use IAF
In may 2025 they again used IAF, but got thrashed in return.

This time its highly likely they're gonna use a combination of missiles and IN.
Their obsession with Karachi is worrysome.

I really hope that pindi are well prepared and for God's show no restraint.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes - Modi doesn't need to create a reason to garner support from masses within India. Most of them loathe Pakistan and would like very much to see Pakistan getting turned into Gaza - no matter what.

It's only for narrative shaping at international level.

What's killing the very psyche and soul of all indians is that they can NEVER do to Pakistanis what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. That's what really hurts the VERY BEING of all 1.5 billion indians. However they may try but then indian kind will cease to exist FOREVER.

 

[side-winder]

What's killing the very psyche and soul of all indians is that they can NEVER do to Pakistanis what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. That's what really hurts the VERY BEING of all 1.5 billion indians. However they may try but then indian kind will cease to exist FOREVER.

Oh man! They would give anything to see us getting bombed like Gaza and to be at their mercy begging for forgiveness.

 

[Blain2]

The establishment ran away from this war, had they knocked some real sense into India this would not have happened, PAF could have put an end to this bs.
Now they will have to fight this war no matter what and it won't be on our terms, they'll have to wait for India, hence indians will have the initiative

Let's be realistic. Establishment's job is to preserve Pakistan and not to take us to the brink of destruction.
Neither Pakistan nor India can end each other. The only way to permanently end this "bs" is to talk and come to terms.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war"

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Oh man! They would give anything to see us getting bombed like Gaza and to be at their mercy begging for forgiveness.

Apart from israelis, the ONLY other people on earth supporting the Gaza genocide/holocaust of Palestinians are 1.5 billion indians. That's how vile they are. The ONLY complaint indians have against the genocide of Palestinians is WHY the indian militaryis not doing to us Pakistanis what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza.

This is why EXTREME hatred and racism towards indians from Pakistanis need to be heavily promoted and encouraged. There is no rehabilitation, forgiveness or coming back from all of this. Pakistanis can NEVER EVER look at ANY indian as a sane, genuine and decent human being.

 

[side-winder]

Apart from israelis, the ONLY other people on earth supporting the Gaza genocide/holocaust of Palestinians are 1.5 billion indians. That's how vile they are. The ONLY complaint indians have against the genocide of Palestinians is WHY the indian militaryis not doing to us Pakistanis what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza.

This is why EXTREME hatred and racism towards indians from Pakistanis need to be heavily promoted and encouraged. There is no rehabilitation, forgiveness or coming back from all of this. Pakistanis can NEVER EVER look at ANY indian as a sane, genuine and decent human being.

While it's sad to see this much hatred in their hearts for Pakistan. It also makes it amusing for us to watch their frustration grow everyday when they aren't able to see what they so badly want to see.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Let's be realistic. Establishment's job is to preserve Pakistan and not to take us to the brink of destruction.
Neither Pakistan nor India can end each other. The only way to permanently end this this "bs" is to talk and come to terms.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war"

You can NEVER negotiate with a group of people who are extremists that want your nation and your race permanently wiped off the face of the uuniverse. modi and the indians may not be able to destroy us but that doesn't mean they want try something destructive against us EVEN if it means they are wiped out.

 

[Oscar]

Sir is it that easy? PN Ships are in no match for IN Ships but don't you think that PAF can give them tough response. PAF Squadrons at masroor are Anti ship trained and can wreck havoc on IN Ships. It is easy to track IN Ships through satellite as well as MPAs. Only if India causes severe damage to Masroor airbase then maybe the IN can have a chance

PAF squadrons can launch what?
4 AshMs at best in one sortie?
Maybe 8?
Meanwhile a coordinated push from IN and IaF can launch 3 Brahmos per ship along with Harpoons or even KH-31s.

PN A2/AD net is what is keeping those ships safe just as IAF hid behind its SAM network in depth on its airfields.

This is where coordination of PAF with PN ship Smash and Harbah(+ one more asset I forget which one @arslank01 ) is key

 

[r3alist]

You really have to hit the thought process in Modi's mind, also look into people like him, like Hitler and Natanyahoo for example. These people don't care about loss, humanity and others. They want the other nation gone. Like Modi wants Pakistan and Pakistanis gone. These are religious extremists, just like Taliban and Jews, both killing innocent people for their religious fame.

For India, Modi knows and been assured by the Israelis also to not worry. In the context of this thread, NEVER forget Israeli factor.

- India now has the largest population. Even if a 4-6 month war lasts, and a few million people die, it's not a big deal. India will still be the largest populated nation and everyone would still want to do business with them. They'll be ok in a couple of years. But the threat of Pakistan would've been out for good.

Now I'll give you a glimpse of reality about these people. Did you know Modi's government gives money to startups that spread Hinduism in some fashion? Like Vedic this, that, or, Hindu religious stuff like Cow Dung for example? The world is funding space activities and satellites, they are funding Cow Dung startups. How do you take that?

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Currently, a large number of cow dung startups are rising in India. The government is giving loans facility to the entrepreneurs of cow dung. The latest Cow Dung startup plans help you get a good income. Individuals who are looking for cow dung business opportunities in India have arrived at the right place. In this article, we are going to discuss in detail the ideas of cow dung business with little investment.

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We are going to tell you all the latest details about the cow dung business trends in the market. You can make good money while investing very low.

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Government Planning to Grant 60% Funding for Cow Dung, Urine and Diary Startups​

Chairman of the newly-established Rashtriya Kamdhenu Ayog said that Government is planning to grant 60% initial fund to all the startups focussed on ‘commercializing’ cow urine, cow dung, and dairy.

Pronami Chetia Updated 9 September, 2019 6:02 PM IST

Chairman of the newly-established Rashtriya Kamdhenu Ayog said that Government is planning to grant 60% initial fund to all the startups focussed on ‘commercializing’ cow urine, cow dung, and dairy.

"We will encourage youths to go for cow-based entrepreneurship and earn not only from products like milk and ghee but also by-products like urine and dung that can be used for medicinal and agricultural purposes," Vallabh Kathiria, chairman of the cow board, told media.


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To attract youths and aspiring entrepreneurs towards "cow-based business models", Rashtriya Kamdhenu Ayog has been working since long. Kathiria has met with academicians and interact with students of the Gandhinagar-based Entrepreneurship Development Institute of India to chalk out strategies.


The kamdhenu aayog, set up by the Narendra Modi government in February with an initial corpus of 500 crore, aims to be the growth engine for these new businesses.

Kathiria said "commercialization of cow urine and dung" would encourage people not to discard cows that have stopped giving milk.”

"We will also encourage research on the medicinal value of cow by-products. The board will provide a platform to scholars and researchers to project their research on these by-products. We will also hold training programs and skill development camps for people already running gaushalas," he added.

Earlier also, the board chairman had earlier announced plans to promote a cow tourism circuit.

"The route will wind through areas where indigenous cow breeds are reared. We have identified states like Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Kerala and Goa for this circuit," Kathiria said.
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This is a very detailed post, however I just want to point out that maybe you can give someone too much credit

Hitler or netanyahu, you can violently disagree with them, but you cannot deny they have conviction and follow through on their beliefs


Honestly if modi was even half of them, in terms of sincerity to his ideology, something much bigger would have happened by now


Perhaps you can say it's Pakistan's nukes


But really I think India is misunderstood, they are historically a relativist people. They do not have absolutes, they can go from having an absolute one minute to not

Behind modi's muscular Hindu ideology was the west keeping it together, my prediction is modi will be unravelled, once the people realise that there is a cost to being ideologically consistent, only the most committed will remain. Look what we see now, one minute when it suits they were delude themselves to be part of the global North, when it comes the time to give something back or pay the price, suddenly Hindi chini bhai Bhai


Overnight


And then we go full circle, because there is no willingness to Sacrifice, in the way that ukrainians and Russians are, it will only remain in their heads...... Or bothering us on this forum


Because we have had members here who have literally confessed that for them and this forum is like their war (as well as confessing minor sexual excitement)..... Come on.... Can't give this too much credit