PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions

[ghazi52]

 

[RajaBaja]

I am pretty sure that was fake news

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ties-as-pak-fires-missiles-2721817-2025-05-08

https://zeenews.india.com/india/pak...t-of-targeted-locations-revealed-2898754.html

Blackouts in over 15 cities amid India-Pakistan tensions: What the measure is, how it can help

Indian City Blackout Guidelines: The aim of a blackout is to protect people and physical infrastructure from enemy aircraft at night, “without incurring the discomfort of total darkness”.

indianexpress.com

You'll need a vpn because since these attacks we did, even the Indian basic media has blocked Pakistan from accessing their sites.

 

[falcon34]

To be fair - just because the F1 didn’t hit too much, doesn’t necessarily mean it failed the role in which PA employed it. If the goal was to probe Indian AD capabilities, send missiles into their territory to show we have the reach and the capability to hit them with the most basic of our platforms, and to break into enemy airspace with as few missiles as possible, then then the F1 achieved all those objectives and more with a couple of good hits. The point being that if whatever caused the lower accuracy is fixed, those missiles can be deadly, and India could not intercept most of them. In short, the missiles didn’t fail because India had the capability to stop them, there error, if there was any, was on our side, and that we can fix and shoot again, and if India doesn’t upgrade their capabilities, they will get hit.

The amount of damage done to their installations, border posts etc through artillery strikes and the potential damaging of S400 system are not just ignorable, there is a very genuine understanding in the IA at this time that they were not able to match even a quarter of the total ordinance we fired their way.

The reason we see more damage on our side is for one because BDA from artillery strikes is harder to do, even with Sat imagery, secondly because it seems PA does not want to show sat imagery (can be a multitude of reasons, but I personally believe it’s because there isn’t much to show), and lastly also because there was a total media blackout in India through the conflict. Internet was down, social media was down, nobody was allowed to Post anything, quite the opposite in Pakistan where people were sniffing rocket fumes standing a meter away from F1 systems while recording them.

SO your saying OP BM was meh, it was just done for optics?.
@Panzerkiel really?.

 

[Lion]

SO your saying OP BM was meh, it was just done for optics?.
@Panzerkiel really?.

Where did I say or even imply that at all? I believe in quite the contrary, the OP achieved most of its intended targets.

It had several moving parts and more than half a dozen offensive (and defensive) assets involved, the effectiveness of one of those assets discussed under strict constraints is not at all an indication of the overall effectiveness of the OP, even more so if we take all 4 days of the conflict and not just the closing hours.

 

[falcon34]

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Possible F4 or P282 test

 

[iron shrapnel]

Funnily enough you could see the disparity of force on both sides live, there was a livestream setup in Srinagar during the first couple of days and you could hear the insane amounts of artillery, mortars, RAPs and just about Every other ordinance the PA could find being tossed into India, the return fire was there but very minimal, mainly towed arty and mortars. PA took Indias claim of Pakistan only having enough artillery ammunition for a one week conflict seriously and sent down a months worth of ordinance in a day.

I've heard it was also an inventory clearance by P.A as every piece even ww2 guns were used.. would it point towards newer ERFB compatible gun acquisition and phasing out old stuff ( could be shifted to western border )

 

[Lion]

I've heard it was also an inventory clearance by P.A as every piece even ww2 guns were used.. would it point towards newer ERFB compatible gun acquisition and phasing out old stuff ( could be shifted to western border )

Most of the Older and obsolete stuff they used was AAA, old MGs and 37MM guns. This was out of necessity rather than just to clear it out, the amount of drones being used and the danger to missile based AD meant there was a shortage of gun based AA, gaps had to be filled with older types. Armed forces need more modern gun based AD along with missile based AD.

Using older artillery just for the sake of clearing it out is a hazard to both operators and civilians on the other side of the border, i understand the concept of collateral damage but I’ll keep reminding everyone that civilian infrastructure and innocent lives were harmed in PAs cross border shelling too, despite using modern weaponry.

 

[falcon34]

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I don't why we are giving the indians face saving no solid proof being given of taking out S400 or the retaliatory strike for bholari.

 

[iron shrapnel]

Most of the Older and obsolete stuff they used was AAA, old MGs and 37MM guns. This was out of necessity rather than just to clear it out, the amount of drones being used and the danger to missile based AD meant there was a shortage of gun based AA, gaps had to be filled with older types. Armed forces need more modern gun based AD along with missile based AD.

Using older artillery just for the sake of clearing it out is a hazard to both operators and civilians on the other side of the border, i understand the concept of collateral damage but I’ll keep reminding everyone that civilian infrastructure and innocent lives were harmed in PAs cross border shelling too, despite using modern weaponry.

By old I meant the older artillery pieces rather than rounds.. such as m114s and 115s... Some other relics that need to be replaced were also used but I'm having difficulty finding the videos... This would explain some civ coming under fire but hey harops flew 100 meters above my home but you don't see me complaining and the fact that we had child casualties with " precision strikes ". I've heard rumors of replacement of older towed pieces.. let's see what happens...

 

[Great Mal]

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I don't why we are giving the indians face saving no solid proof being given of taking out S400 or the retaliatory strike for bholari.

Because the only victory Pakistan achieved was in the air the army didn't do anything except from lobbing some artillery shells that actually did the most damage.

It's shame how the state uses the holy religion to psyop its citizens.

From Siachen to this.

 

[RealNapster]

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Those who wanted establishment of a rocket force under PA or as a separate entity, here is your solution.

200+ Fatah-2 GMLRS launchers and 200+ Fatah-2 SSM launchers.

Good luck.

 

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I don't why we are giving the indians face saving no solid proof being given of taking out S400 or the retaliatory strike for bholari.

At timeframe 8.25 and beyond the long black tube likely is from the pak turkey kamikaze drone that ISPR is passing off as Indian.

Those UAVs had a terrible track record during the conflict with India at least 7 crashed inside Pakistan

 

[Lion]

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I don't why we are giving the indians face saving no solid proof being given of taking out S400 or the retaliatory strike for bholari.

Something must exist for it to be presented.

 

[Lion]

By old I meant the older artillery pieces rather than rounds.. such as m114s and 115s... Some other relics that need to be replaced were also used but I'm having difficulty finding the videos... This would explain some civ coming under fire but hey harops flew 100 meters above my home but you don't see me complaining and the fact that we had child casualties with " precision strikes ". I've heard rumors of replacement of older towed pieces.. let's see what happens...

These Artillery pieces were never retired in the first place for them to be brought back to service, unlike older AD guns. Yes they’ll be replaced eventually, both foreign snd local options were being considered and still are, but PAs focus is SPs (hence more SH15s).

You missed my point about the civilian casualties too, all of us had drones and missiles flying over us, I’m talking about civilian casualties and damage in IOK, they didn’t happen because we were using old guns. The point was that Pakistan makes a big deal out of Indians targeting Kashmiri civilians across the LoC, even though Pakistans own shelling did much the same in IoK. Do you think these Kashmiris will now think Pakistan is any better than India for them? Collateral damage is always expected, but one must think about their own foreign policy too, if a Pakistani ultranationalist thinks that killing Indian civilians is justified because they killed ours, does he forfeit the right to called the people in IoK Pakistanis?

 

[iron shrapnel]

At timeframe 8.25 and beyond the long black tube likely is from the pak turkey kamikaze drone that ISPR is passing off as Indian.

Those UAVs had a terrible track record during the conflict with India at least 7 crashed inside Pakistan

Maybe some technical parameters need to change but I like the design... The tube should make it hard to shoot down... Considering the wings could take a beating....