PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions

[Path-Finder]

If VT4 is being made under license, then why not convert some into breech loaded self propelled mortars?

 

[falcon34]

@Panzerkiel why aren't we doing any missile tests to match India's, every other month they are doing some missile tests and aren't doing anything in this regards, wouldn't it give India a false sense of superiority, like they have options and we don't.
Are we doing anything on rail launching systems?.

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Panzerkiel why aren't we doing any missile tests to match India's, every other month they are doing some missile tests and aren't doing anything in this regards, wouldn't it give India a false sense of superiority, like they have options and we don't.
Are we doing anything on rail launching systems?.

It is "not" a competition. Pakistan tests new military capabilities as required. India tests, to reassure themselves they still "have it"..

 

[Michael]

why aren't we doing any missile tests to match India's, every other month they are doing some missile tests and aren't doing anything in this regards, wouldn't it give India a false sense of superiority, like they have options and we don't.

Whatever the "enemy" does, we must respond in kind.
Whatever the "enemy" has, we must also have.
......
You lose control of things and are forever led by your opponent.
The result is that you will always be a follower, not a leader.

A truly strong person moves forward in their own determined direction. They are not swayed by any other factors.

Are we doing anything on rail launching systems?.

Among ballistic missile launch methods, rail-mobile launch is far less challenging than TEL launch.

Once you possess all the TEL launch techniques, rail-mobile launch presents no challenge.

 

[kimjongun]

India just some time ago did a train launch of agni prime....

 

[aurelianpilled]

India just some time ago did a train launch of agni prime....

This one... Moreover, I believe that we should level up our game as well since this is probably the second or third time the Indians have tested their ballistic missiles after the May war. They are also going for a massive drone/anti-drone exercise in apparently their central sector.

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[aurelianpilled]

Hello!

Does anyone have a clear-cut idea about the land-based weapons used by our forces during our strikes against Iran in January 2024? As far as I remember, there were many mixed reports in those days regarding the land-based weapons used by us against BLA/BLF targets inside Iran.

Fatah-I MLRS or A-100 MLRS?

Edit: Also, if Fatah-I MLRS was indeed used then, apparently, it was quite a precise strike. I tried to search the video, which went viral on Iranian social media circle back in those days from the Saravan city, but I couldn't find it and it was a precise hit as far as I can remember, but at the same time, our Fatah-I strike on Udhampur air base succeeded, though the accuracy was quite bad and some of the guided rockets just hit some random area just north or south of the runway.

This was the site where one of the Fatah-I guided rocket struck, as per Indians*, seems dubious tho but let's accept their version

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Hello!

Does anyone have a clear-cut idea about the land-based weapons used by our forces during our strikes against Iran in January 2024? As far as I remember, there were many mixed reports in those days regarding the land-based weapons used by us against BLA/BLF targets inside Iran.

Fatah-I MLRS or A-100 MLRS?

Edit: Also, if Fatah-I MLRS was indeed used then, apparently, it was quite a precise strike. I tried to search the video from an Iranian POV (I think Saravan city) but I couldn't find it and it was a precise hit as far as I remember, but at the same time, our Fatah-I strike on Udhampur air base succeeded, though the accuracy was quite bad and it hit some random area just north or south of the runway.

It was precise too:



No indian overhyped AD was able to stop it.

 

[aurelianpilled]

It was precise too:

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No indian overhyped AD was able to stop it.

But, I am still skeptical about this whole thing... I am not saying that we failed to bypass the Indian ADS wall, but there is something regarding accuracy as well... We could have hit something valuable like a hangar or the runway if our hits were precise but chose to hit this building which does not show "damage" in the true sense since there are barely any explosive marks there... the only somewhat proof we have is of Sergeant Surendra Kumar killed at Udhampur.

 

[Oscar]

But, I am still skeptical about this whole thing... I am not saying that we failed to bypass the Indian ADS wall, but there is something regarding accuracy as well... We could have hit something valuable like a hangar or the runway if our hits were precise but chose to hit this building which does not show "damage" in the true sense since there are barely any explosive marks there... the only somewhat proof we have is of Sergeant Surendra Kumar killed at Udhampur.

The Fatah strikes were not as impactful nor did PAF “strikes” with drones do much on the 10th.

The IAF did a good job to its “credit” of going inside its holes and simply kept out of the PAFs way which was hoping for some kills during its sweeps in the corridor it created to Dehli during its “offensive”.

IAF airbases are well defended so PAF attemps to use larger munitions in ReKs or JDAMs would expose manned aircraft to MR-SAMs and other systems. In a way India seemed perfectly content letting PAF do its mostly cake walk run to Dehli once they withdrew their S-400s from the game completely.

 

[aurelianpilled]

The Fatah strikes were not as impactful nor did PAF “strikes” with drones do much on the 10th.

The IAF did a good job to its “credit” of going inside its holes and simply kept out of the PAFs way which was hoping for some kills during its sweeps in the corridor it created to Dehli during its “offensive”.

IAF airbases are well defended so PAF attemps to use larger munitions in ReKs or JDAMs would expose manned aircraft to MR-SAMs and other systems. In a way India seemed perfectly content letting PAF do its mostly cake walk run to Dehli once they withdrew their S-400s from the game completely.

I believe that we should really be getting serious regarding the accuracy and ECCM capabilities of our conventional/ARFC assets such as the Fatah series GMLRS/systems and other weapons likely to be inducted in the command but are yet undisclosed, since we would be staring at rapid conventional-level clashes in our next conflict for sure, and India has already demonstrated what it would do in the next clash and that too, unfortunately, with quite some precise deep strikes.

Seeing pictures of some intercepted Fatah-I and Fatah-II GRs wreckage was understandable considering the layered Indian air-defense wall, but the off-target impact sites of the ones which succeeded, such as the apparent off-target impact just north or south of the Udhampur airbase runway, and that too when India was able to target some of our sites and runways with precise and accurate hits even with all our Chinese/indigenous ECM/EW/jamming systems in place, were quite demoralizing.

Edit: One could surely argue that, yes, India used quite some expensive missiles, in the context of accuracy and ECCM-hardened weapons, such as the BrahMos or SCALP-EG ALCMs against our assets on May 10 vs. we using our simple/cheap guided rockets but we must conduct a thorough post-action review to identify whether our failures were due to guidance, EW, targeting, or launch procedures and then fix the top priorities.

 

[White Privilege]

The Fatah strikes were not as impactful nor did PAF “strikes” with drones do much on the 10th.

The IAF did a good job to its “credit” of going inside its holes and simply kept out of the PAFs way which was hoping for some kills during its sweeps in the corridor it created to Dehli during its “offensive”.

IAF airbases are well defended so PAF attemps to use larger munitions in ReKs or JDAMs would expose manned aircraft to MR-SAMs and other systems. In a way India seemed perfectly content letting PAF do its mostly cake walk run to Dehli once they withdrew their S-400s from the game completely.

Yes, they did not challenge PAF. That was their strategy. 'scoot and scoot'.....

 

[White Privilege]

The Fatah strikes were not as impactful nor did PAF “strikes” with drones do much on the 10th.

The IAF did a good job to its “credit” of going inside its holes and simply kept out of the PAFs way which was hoping for some kills during its sweeps in the corridor it created to Dehli during its “offensive”.

IAF airbases are well defended so PAF attemps to use larger munitions in ReKs or JDAMs would expose manned aircraft to MR-SAMs and other systems. In a way India seemed perfectly content letting PAF do its mostly cake walk run to Dehli once they withdrew their S-400s from the game completely.

Can you elaborate why our own missiles, like Raad or Babur, or smaller BMs in our inventory, weren't used?? Was it because of their dual use nature that we did not risk it or we did not possess sufficient stockpiles??

 

[falcon34]

Can you elaborate why our own missiles, like Raad or Babur, or smaller BMs in our inventory, weren't used?? Was it because of their dual use nature that we did not risk it or we did not possess sufficient stockpiles??

Obviously we did not accept significant stockpiles, else we would have gone for, they had 2 days to get those assets mobilized for ASFC, yet they didn't, Secondly they held back too much, they notion that India needs to be given a face saving needs to be thrown out of the window, we didn't do much after 6-7 just for sake of giving a face saving to the indians, the strikes were strategic in nature, stationary radars, C&C and S400 radars were taken out. I don't they ever wanted to strike at runaways even the PAF claimed a hit on operations rooms.
Let's wait for the Third round, let's see how they fill up this gap so far so they have taken right steps but let's see

 

[falcon34]

I believe that we should really be getting serious regarding the accuracy and ECCM capabilities of our conventional/ARFC assets such as the Fatah series GMLRS/systems and other weapons likely to be inducted in the command but are yet undisclosed, since we would be staring at rapid conventional-level clashes in our next conflict for sure, and India has already demonstrated what it would do in the next clash and that too, unfortunately, with quite some precise deep strikes.

Seeing pictures of some intercepted Fatah-I and Fatah-II GRs wreckage was understandable considering the layered Indian air-defense wall, but the off-target impact sites of the ones which succeeded, such as the apparent off-target impact just north or south of the Udhampur airbase runway, and that too when India was able to target some of our sites and runways with precise and accurate hits even with all our Chinese/indigenous ECM/EW/jamming systems in place, were quite demoralizing.

Edit: One could surely argue that, yes, India used quite some expensive missiles, in the context of accuracy and ECCM-hardened weapons, such as the BrahMos or SCALP-EG ALCMs against our assets on May 10 vs. we using our simple/cheap guided rockets but we must conduct a thorough post-action review to identify whether our failures were due to guidance, EW, targeting, or launch procedures and then fix the top priorities.

F2 wasn't even used bro. Dozen or so F1s were used nothing more.