PAF Conducts Successful Test Launch of Taimoor ALCM

[hasssanali8998]

There's another factor. All of SPD orgs are black listed so even normal sounding things need to be smuggled and the smugglers charge huge markup.

wouldn't it be easier to make new org for conventional stuff and keep it as far away from nukes or related stuff ( like ICBMs) as possible . or do Americans/west just blacklist everything

 

[JamD]

It is, that is Raptor 6 I guess, that's where all of pak missiles REK evolved

Akshually the REK program was started by reverse engineering Chinese REKs for the JF17 because they were super expensive to import. I remember posting about this on the old forum. The MODP report actually listed some crazy amount for 100 Chinese REKs.

 

[Bilal]

This will take time even if everything is ideal. We are basically asking for (limited) industrialization here.

And would also make Powered/boosted REK important in the meanwhile to provide volume of fire.

Unless of course we can’t make them in numbers either.

 

[JamD]

wouldn't it be easier to make new org for conventional stuff and keep it as far away from nukes or related stuff ( like ICBMs) as possible .

Unfortunately no. Pakistan is on the list of countries of missile technology concern. The world order is against Pakistan making these things. Actually, maybe it'll help. I don't know if the world will buy this because we have a track record of making front organization after front organization. Chicken and egg problem I guess.

 

[JamD]

And would also make Powered/boosted REK important in the meanwhile to provide volume of fire.

Unless of course we can’t make them in numbers either.

I think the whole intention behind Qaswa is to produce REKs in numbers. Planners are thinking what you just said.

 

[RAMPAGE]

It is, that is Raptor 6 I guess, that's where all of pak missiles REK evolved

Raptor series wasn't REK.

 

[falcon34]

:
1. Computers/processors
2. Actuators
3. IMUs
4. Various epoxies and fibres for composites
5. Many of the inputs used in the local products (do you really think we make the inputs for the IIR seeker?)

Can't we import this stuff from china, why go for black market.
Or Chinese charge us even more than the black market

 

[Toxic]

This seems like the most reasonable explanation. Yet another example of over reliance on the PAF. Hopefully, rocket force fixes that. Hopefully.


Basically right. Flares are a very cope method. I keep saying this but for subsonic CMs intelligence-based path planning is supreme. If you're being engaged by AD you've already lost.


Here's the thing. Our SPD orgs are geared towards making nuclear delivery systems so they're really geared for making 10s of systems. These facilities are better described as labs rather than production lines. So they produce very low numbers really inefficiently. Yes, there isn't a profit incentive BUT a) most of the components must be sourced from the black market at exorbitant rates, and b) there aren't orders for 100s of these like stormshadow. Don't forget that this is basically a decent sized aircraft. Even my lowest estimate for it will be a million dollars with capacity to make 2 3 annually. Making more annually will raise the cost more because we will have very little benefit of economies of scale (we smuggle inputs) and well be paying for investment into production lines. So with all that in mind, is it worth for the PAF to spend 300 million dollars on Taimoor to knock out 5 6 HVTs? I think PAF will decide let's procure low tens of Taimoor and use them very smartly to hit well planned HVTs with well planned paths. Just my 2 cents, I don't know what PAF will do obviously.

Is that 23 or 2-3?

 

[Michael]

boeing has plans for it seems we are on a right track , now lets hope we also have plans to shoot them down ( should be easy because of heat signature ) because India WILL copy it

IMO.

This is not "a right track." It's merely a compromise based on some existing conditions. ------ This refers to measures to convert existing artillery shells into loitering munitions.

From an economic and technical perspective, in long-range attacks, using howitzers to fire shells at the target location is the most economical, simplest, and most effective method. The accuracy of existing howitzer firing technology is already sufficiently high, and cost control is also very good.

If we were to convert the warhead into a loitering munition separately, using the accuracy, range, and cost of howitzer firing as a benchmark, the cost of such a conversion would be several times higher than the cost of the howitzer firing method. If we were to reduce the cost, the actual combat effectiveness would also decrease.

Furthermore, you must first ensure that you have a sufficiently powerful and large production capacity to reduce the cost of the conversion kit. The United States cannot do this! Pakistan cannot do this either!

The reason China developed this kit:
In its early stages, China primarily used 152mm howitzers and produced a large stockpile of ammunition. Later, we began to widely adopt 155mm howitzers. This resulted in a large amount of 152mm ammunition becoming surplus and unusable.
Therefore, we developed this type of conversion kit to make full use of the large inventory of 152mm shells. However, the conversion kit prioritizes economic efficiency, maximizing cost control, and does not emphasize technological advancement. At the same time, these loitering munitions are mainly used by UAVs to provide wide-area fire coverage. This is only possible due to China's vast industrial capacity, which allows for cost control within an acceptable range.

If developed and produced from scratch (without utilizing any existing inventory), this method of converting artillery shells into loitering munitions is not "a right track."

 

[falcon34]

wouldn't it be easier to make new org for conventional stuff and keep it as far away from nukes or related stuff ( like ICBMs) as possible . or do Americans/west just blacklist everything

Better would be to make front companies in countries like Azerbaijan and banglaesh and fly out stuff from their.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Can't we import this stuff from china, why go for black market.
Or Chinese charge us even more than the black market

no they also give it through black-market , because when they get cough they get sanctioned too so yes they charge us because of this risk

 

[hasssanali8998]

artillery shells

not artillery shells but general purpose bombs
specifically talking about 83 lr that is 800 kg tnt traveling 280 km

Pakistan cannot do this either!

yes that is what we are working on , whole company was made to overcome this issue

rest of your post is wrong because you are assuming these are artillery shells , they are extension kits for bombs , i think this might be translation problem

 

[RAMPAGE]

IMO.

This is not "a right track." It's merely a compromise based on some existing conditions. ------ This refers to measures to convert existing artillery shells into loitering munitions.

From an economic and technical perspective, in long-range attacks, using howitzers to fire shells at the target location is the most economical, simplest, and most effective method. The accuracy of existing howitzer firing technology is already sufficiently high, and cost control is also very good.

If we were to convert the warhead into a loitering munition separately, using the accuracy, range, and cost of howitzer firing as a benchmark, the cost of such a conversion would be several times higher than the cost of the howitzer firing method. If we were to reduce the cost, the actual combat effectiveness would also decrease.

Furthermore, you must first ensure that you have a sufficiently powerful and large production capacity to reduce the cost of the conversion kit. The United States cannot do this! Pakistan cannot do this either!

The reason China developed this kit:
In its early stages, China primarily used 152mm howitzers and produced a large stockpile of ammunition. Later, we began to widely adopt 155mm howitzers. This resulted in a large amount of 152mm ammunition becoming surplus and unusable.
Therefore, we developed this type of conversion kit to make full use of the large inventory of 152mm shells. However, the conversion kit prioritizes economic efficiency, maximizing cost control, and does not emphasize technological advancement. At the same time, these loitering munitions are mainly used by UAVs to provide wide-area fire coverage. This is only possible due to China's vast industrial capacity, which allows for cost control within an acceptable range.

If developed and produced from scratch (without utilizing any existing inventory), this method of converting artillery shells into loitering munitions is not "a right track."

Which howitzer has a range of 200-250km?

 

[falcon34]

no they also give it through black-market , because when they get cough they get sanctioned too so yes they charge us because of this risk

The babus need to wake the fk up I am seriously appalled by their lack of seriousness regarding missile tech.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Better would be to make front companies in countries like Azerbaijan and banglaesh and fly out stuff from their.

probably already happening .