PAF Conducts Successful Test Launch of Taimoor ALCM

[Rebirth]

Dude that thing came in so fast you can't even see it. I had to play this at 0.25 speed and pause within a fraction of a second to get this frame. InsaneView attachment 169529

Does it fall outside of the circle??

 

[safriz]

For Land:
It would and that is why the ability to plan your path comes in handy. So previously two factors were responsible for this:
1. Lack of terrain maps
2. Lack of time/compute to plan a path that avoids problematic terrain.
However, now we have detailed terrain maps (our enemy is just India while the USA has mapped the world well now I'm sure), and computation is fast and cheap.

So I am speculating here but for USA they probably do a path-planning problem that considers the terrain from the launch site to the target site right before launch because they have to deal with the flexibility of targets.

The upside of this being an expensive and rare system for us is that we have a Taimoor for target X, for which we have already computed paths for. Likely, we just modify these paths based on AD sites and let it rip.

For Sea:
Yes, this is kind of unavoidable. You need other kinds of guidance like maybe some kind of local radio beacons or really accurate INS. But I don't think Taimoor is really meant for an antishipping role at 600 km. Maybe for anti shipping we only want to hit targets up to 200 km. I am only speculating.

We are still referring to 1990s desert storm era problems. I am guessing , Most of those issues dont exist anymore due to far more detailed terrain data available and many times more memory and processing power available.
I mean the most advanced language back then , above machine language was C+ you could use for making software for these systems. I guess now you can use Python, which needs higher Processing power than C+.
Also a lot more reference images and data can be saved in Missile's memory compared to the 90s.

Back in the 80s when TERCOM and DSMAC were developed. GPS was not called GPS, it was called Satnav. Because satellites did not have global coverage, and system could not be called Global.

I was a user at the time. We could get a satellite fix once every 6 hours. In between we relied on LORAN-C and sometime OMEGA with those lattice charts . OMEGA is defunct now, i guess LORAN is still functional. Because to get a SATNAV fix, you need at least 3 satellites above the horizon. In those times, that happened only once every 6 hours. Later the constellation had more satellites , and this problem was resolved.

Due to the above experience, i am assuming that most of the issues the US faced with Tomahaks, during the 80s and 90s for guidance and navigation, may not be relevant today anymore.

 

[falcon34]

Theres actually a test video of Raad where it was flying very low.
F4 that was previously tested was also flying quite low. I think they've solved the engine problem, the high trajectory is for I think mountainous terrain as was in the test.

 

[Bilal]

Theres actually a test video of Raad where it was flying very low.
F4 that was previously tested was also flying quite low. I think they've solved the engine problem, the high trajectory is for I think mountainous terrain as was in the test.

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[falcon34]

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Either it's high low combo or the altitude for hill terrain is like above 500 ft. The moment the missile clears hilly terrain it goes low. So it could be either.

 

[safriz]

Wouldn’t it not work or degrade the accuracy on super flat or shifting terrain like desert or over sea?

If only we could get our hands on something like this. I know, I know

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This level of Inertial navigation data is now available on Mobile phone gyroscopes. With a well written software, commercially available INS sensors used on phones can be used.

 

[Khansaheeb]

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We need to start working on air launched hypersonic missiles

 

[safriz]

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Btw, i made this video for my FB page and youtube channel, which are now abandoned. I was the first person to notice the shadow on the ground. Later the video was copied and re posted. I did not mind, as i was not monitizing my videos anyway.

 

[Princeps]

Tell France and uk to ditch Scalp/storm shadow, Germany to ditch KEPD and US to burn all JASSM stockpiles.

You understand that it will follow waypoints planned to avoid AD and will be part of an over all mission and not a single missile.

To play the devil's advocate, all those missiles feature some stealth characteristics, as is the case with most emerging cruise missiles, and JASSM specifically is leagues ahead in the RCS reduction department. Now, something like TLAM is still perfectly viable since it's available in massive numbers, can be fired in huge salvos (VLS, bombers) and can hug the terrain better than any other cruise missile. None of this is applicable to Taimoor. As @JamD mentioned, for Pakistan Taimoor would be available in low numbers for HVTs, and for this role its effectiveness against a non-degraded Indian IADS is questionable.

It's still a positive development, and hopefully a stepping stone towards something like JSM, Israeli ice breaker or the Chinese AKF 98a.

 

[maxpane]

if its too much expensive can we mske around 200 ?

 

[Bilal]

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This level of Inertial navigation data is now available on Mobile phone gyroscopes. With a well written software, commercially available INS sensors used on phones can be used.

MEMS (butterfly) accelerometer and gyros are possible but can’t say it’s about accuracy. Also the timing data accuracy would be low.

Thats where the DARPA chip excels.

 

[Bilal]

To play the devil's advocate, all those missiles feature some stealth characteristics, as is the case with most emerging cruise missiles, and JASSM specifically is leagues ahead in the RCS reduction department. Now, something like TLAM is still perfectly viable since it's available in massive numbers, can be fired in huge salvos (VLS, bombers) and can hug the terrain better than any other cruise missile. None of this is applicable to Taimoor. As @JamD mentioned, for Pakistan Taimoor would be available in low numbers for HVTs, and for this role its effectiveness against a non-degraded Indian IADS is questionable.

It's still a positive development, and hopefully a stepping stone towards something like JSM, Israeli ice breaker or the Chinese AKF 98a.

A scaled up version of Rasoob maybe.

 

[Toxic]

if its too much expensive can we mske around 200 ?

I think it depends on if they can scale up production, producing 100 missiles annually would be ideal but a more realistic number would be in the low dozens, perhaps if they can be augmented by lower cost missiles like the Rasoob and AZB 81LR perhaps that might not be as big of a issue.

 

[maxpane]

I think it depends on if they can scale up production, producing 100 missiles annually would be ideal but a more realistic number would be in the low dozens.

brother Dozens are not good for us. at least 200 should be good enough. lol am civilian i think it my way of thinking

 

[Oscar]

Rocket booster in final version could be added as its not the final product, many tests and may be redesign may happen to make it fit for all PAF platforms excluding F-16s.

What will the rocket booster do?
What size will it have to be and how much weight and drag will it add?
How will it boost range to 750km?