PAF F-16 | Discussions

[CombatCorner]

PAF Block-52 Vipers Roaring Over Islamabad :

 

[harpy1]

So this has already been disproven. The ROSE mirages where used to strike Indian positions during the Balakot incident. Using H2 AND I-REK (60km), H4 (120km) and RAAD (500KM), They can sit comfortably inside Pakistan and still strike IAF positions AND when backed by JF-17 and F-16 AND Erieye, they are still useful. So for now, they are ok... barely ok, but ok. The F-7s are priority to get rid of as i see nothing useful outside of meat shields.

The issue of more F-16s are that the US will not approve additional transfers if F-16 to Pakistan, especially after PAF used them to DOMINATE IAF during Balakot and with Ukraine in desperate need of fighters. Now with J-10 and JF-17, and F-16 and no real external tension with IAF on the horizon, PAF is also in a holding pattern due to financial issues of the country. Id expect another JF-17 squad in next 12-18 months at most. Maybe if finances improve, another J-10 batch. But F-16 for political issues, is not likely. If they had the option, no doubt they would jump on it.

Dominate you meant shoot and scoot I think

Dominate is what Israel did in bekaa valley kill ratio 80 to 2 or 80, to 4 kills

Since 2019
S400 added
Afnet centric Comms added
Rafales
Astra bvrs to Mki and Tejas and mig29 so longer reach

I don't think those cold war fighters IE F7 or mirage vintages survive this type of real time tracking
But

 

[Oscar]

Dominate you meant shoot and scoot I think

Dominate is what Israel did in bekaa valley kill ratio 80 to 2 or 80, to 4 kills

Since 2019
S400 added
Afnet centric Comms added
Rafales
Astra bvrs to Mki and Tejas and mig29 so longer reach

I don't think those cold war fighters IE F7 or mirage vintages survive this type of real time tracking
But

No
Dominate as in no one from the IAF stayed in the air.
M2ks ran, MKIs ran
Migs were duck shoot
Communications were jammed and so on.

You clearly cannot understand context to air combat
The Mirages are supposed to shoot and scoot just as the M2ks did shoot and scoot the night before. It’s called a role - using the Bekaa valley as the example further illustrates your total lack of understanding

Where the focus was on fighter sweeps and air superiority you’re trying to link to a standoff strike.

 

[harpy1]

No
Dominate as in no one from the IAF stayed in the air.
M2ks ran, MKIs ran
Migs were duck shoot
Communications were jammed and so on.

You clearly cannot understand context to air combat
The Mirages are supposed to shoot and scoot just as the M2ks did shoot and scoot the night before. It’s called a role - using the Bekaa valley as the example further illustrates your total lack of understanding

Where the focus was on fighter sweeps and air superiority you’re trying to link to a standoff strike.

They chased your mighty falcon with a rusty old mig21 that's brave imo

 

[gusto]

someone is trying to come up with a bit of 'pat at the back' from a full-fledged embarrassment.

good if it serves someone's hurt ego.

 

[TAC]

They chased your mighty falcon with a rusty old mig21 that's brave imo

Yeah, how stupid does IAF get to send a ‘rusty old mig21’ didn’t they have anything betterand what’s your point since after ‘chasing’ it just got shot down.

 

[orthodux]

They chased your mighty falcon with a rusty old mig21 that's brave imo

Good joke or wishfull thinking ?

 

[harpy1]

Yeah, how stupid does IAF get to send a ‘rusty old mig21’ didn’t they have anything betterand what’s your point since after ‘chasing’ it just got shot down.

Unprepared Indian Airforce not good day in office
Where was the Mki and mig29

 

[Cipher212]

They chased your mighty falcon with a rusty old mig21 that's brave imo

There was no chase. All MiG-21s were asked to flow cold. All complied save one who never heard the order because he was jammed.

Sometime later, he realised he's gone in too far, and reversed but it was too late by then.

 

[blueboy7862]

So this has already been disproven. The ROSE mirages where used to strike Indian positions during the Balakot incident. Using H2 AND I-REK (60km), H4 (120km) and RAAD (500KM), They can sit comfortably inside Pakistan and still strike IAF positions AND when backed by JF-17 and F-16 AND Erieye, they are still useful. So for now, they are ok... barely ok, but ok. The F-7s are priority to get rid of as i see nothing useful outside of meat shields.

The issue of more F-16s are that the US will not approve additional transfers if F-16 to Pakistan, especially after PAF used them to DOMINATE IAF during Balakot and with Ukraine in desperate need of fighters. Now with J-10 and JF-17, and F-16 and no real external tension with IAF on the horizon, PAF is also in a holding pattern due to financial issues of the country. Id expect another JF-17 squad in next 12-18 months at most. Maybe if finances improve, another J-10 batch. But F-16 for political issues, is not likely. If they had the option, no doubt they would jump on it.

Strongly agree. After the declaration of J-31, sadly we are seeing no future prospects for Vipers.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yeah, how stupid does IAF get to send a ‘rusty old mig21’ didn’t they have anything betterand what’s your point since after ‘chasing’ it just got shot down.

Hi,

That was not a "rusty old mig "---. It was an upgraded BIS---. Its missiles would have taken out any F-16---if they were launched.

 

[Oscar]

They chased your mighty falcon with a rusty old mig21 that's brave imo

Foolhardy is the word you are looking for and they were not chasing the F-16, Abhi tried to use valleys for cover as trained but forgot that there was a PAF Erieye watching him a minute or so after he was airborne and relaying all of it to the F-16s via Link-16.

As he dipped in and out of radar he was tracked - and as soon as he popped the contact updated on the viper, he executed a rapid nose on and while Abhi was still waiting for his radar to turn on a Amraam decided to hug him.

Foolhardy and unfortunately the consequences of neither the Mirage 2000I with their upgraded avionics deciding to stick around nor the MKi

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Having a badass military always pays out!

 

[CombatCorner]

They chased your mighty falcon with a rusty old mig21 that's brave imo

Chased, that's as credible as Modi running a Marathon.
After ejecting and landing , the first thing Abhinandan asked people surrounding him was, whether this was India or Pakistan.

 

[harpy1]

Chased, that's as credible as Modi running a Marathon.
After ejecting and landing , the first thing Abhinandan asked people surrounding him was, whether this was India or Pakistan.

Not surprised he had no idea where he is was poor guy was trying to fight F16 with dinosaur platform