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Viper Upgrade issue for Pakistan remains 'dead' as Turkiye gets its long awaited deal approved

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"The threats never stop evolving.

Neither does the F-16."






Another key item in Package is Triple Missile Launcher Adapter TMLA Array, introduced on F-21 fighter jet for Indian Offer by LM in 2019.

It is not currently in inventory of any country including USA.

Triple missile launcher adapters for LAU-129s enable F-16s to carry 10 missiles vs usual 6.

Lockheed Martin F-16

Lockheed Martin F-16 user+1@localho… Thu, 02/10/2022 - 21:17 The F-16 \

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[m52k85]

Viper Upgrade issue for Pakistan remains 'dead' as Turkiye gets its long awaited deal approved

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"The threats never stop evolving.

Neither does the F-16."

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Another key item in Package is Triple Missile Launcher Adapter TMLA Array, introduced on F-21 fighter jet for Indian Offer by LM in 2019.

It is not currently in inventory of any country including USA.

Triple missile launcher adapters for LAU-129s enable F-16s to carry 10 missiles vs usual 6.

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Lockheed Martin F-16

Lockheed Martin F-16 user+1@localho… Thu, 02/10/2022 - 21:17 The F-16 \

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what!!? They settled for less than AMRAAM D? Even the initial D is not latest now, they should have gotten it.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Indians craping their pants already....... the upgrade kits of the Turkey will allow them to develop the tech to do it inhouse them selves, which will allow them to upgrade PAF f16 to block 70 standard.

Don't know how these Indians sleep at night.....their paranoia will kill them.

 

[Qureshi]

Indians craping their pants already....... the upgrade kits of the Turkey will allow them to develop the tech to do it inhouse them selves, which will allow them to upgrade PAF f16 to block 70 standard.

Don't know how these Indians sleep at night.....their paranoia will kill them.

Nope...

They can't until unless uncle Sam give them green light.

 

[GriffinsRule]

what!!? They settled for less than AMRAAM D? Even the initial D is not latest now, they should have gotten it.

They are one and the same thing.

US approves extended-range AMRAAM sale to Germany

The US government has approved the sale of the extended-range Raytheon AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) to Germany, the Defense Security...

www.janes.com

"More widely known as the AIM-120D, the AIM-120C-8 retains the same solid-propellant rocket motor of the AIM-120C-5 and C-7 variants but gives a significantly improved no-escape envelope and high-angle off-boresight capabilities over earlier variants."

 

[FuturePAF]

Nope...

They can't until unless uncle Sam give them green light.

One step at a time. If in the next 5 years, Pakistan’s relations with the US improve, possibly under Trump, and Pakistan can get at least 72 of its best F-16s upgraded to an improved Turkish Ozgur standard, the PAF can field 4 full strength squadrons to solider on for another couple of decades. The GoKhan missiles will be enough to keep the Indians guessing.

It will also be one of the best way to keep Pak-US defense relations on track.

 

[FuturePAF]

They are one and the same thing.

US approves extended-range AMRAAM sale to Germany

The US government has approved the sale of the extended-range Raytheon AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) to Germany, the Defense Security...

www.janes.com

"More widely known as the AIM-120D, the AIM-120C-8 retains the same solid-propellant rocket motor of the AIM-120C-5 and C-7 variants but gives a significantly improved no-escape envelope and high-angle off-boresight capabilities over earlier variants."

Did the Turks still upgrade their Block 30s under their indigenous Ozgur program? If so they will have at least their longer range GoKhan missiles for those birds.

These Block 70 F16s seem like a stop gap until the KAAN fighters are in service.

 

[GriffinsRule]

No they haven't upgraded any yet. Also not a stop gap. Kaan will replace F-4s for now.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Nope...

They can't until unless uncle Sam give them green light.

Thats wt u n me n every other sense able person knows but not the indians.....they have just started crying

 

[m52k85]

They are one and the same thing.

US approves extended-range AMRAAM sale to Germany

The US government has approved the sale of the extended-range Raytheon AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) to Germany, the Defense Security...

www.janes.com

"More widely known as the AIM-120D, the AIM-120C-8 retains the same solid-propellant rocket motor of the AIM-120C-5 and C-7 variants but gives a significantly improved no-escape envelope and high-angle off-boresight capabilities over earlier variants."

At what point/ version does the AMRAAM bring in a dual pulse motor? That should be the only way to extend its range by "50%" without changing dimensions/ form and propulsion technology. The C-7 extended the range by 10% compared to C-5, I think that was just a rework of the software. The C-8 retaining the same rocket motor as the C-5 and being called equivalent to the D is suspicious, since the whole point of the D coming out was that it provided 50% more max range.

This is what it says on the Korean contract:
"The AIM-120C-8 is a form, fit, function refresh of the AIM-120C-7 and is the next generation to be produced. The capabilities of the AIM-120C-7 and C-8 are identical." (https://web.archive.org/web/2021041...2019/12/16/2019-26979/arms-sales-notification)

Deliberate dust and smoke by Uncle Sam, tells they have a first time technological challenger in AAMs in 30/40 years.

 

[safriz]

January 15, 1983

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The first of two F-16As and four F-16B were flown to Sargodha by the six pioneers, with a young Squadron Leader Shahid Lateef (retd as Vice Chief of the Air Staff, PAF) grabbing the media's spotlight by landing the first F-16B (serial# 82602) aircraft. The first unit to re-equip with the F-16 in January 1983 was Sargodha based No. 11 'Arrows' Squadron, which by now was under the command of one of the six pioneers - Wing Commander Shahid Javed.

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I remember the first batch landing in Pakistan also had American pilots.
It was in the "Khabarnama at 9"

 

[m52k85]

An interesting thread, of particular note is APG-68s detection range and engagement ranges for a target of around 4m2 rcs:

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[Corax]

I don't think the PAF's Block 15 A/B airframes have much potential left in them to be upgraded to Block 70 standard. I think the PAF may consider using these to cannibalise for spares for their Block 52 airframes, or retiring them completely by 2030-35. More J-10CEs will probably replace the Block 15 Vipers.

The 18 or so Block 52s will be around for quite some time though, but given the smaller fleet size, they may end up playing niche roles like SEAD/DEAD, especially if they can be upgraded to Block 70 standard.

 

[m52k85]

I don't think the PAF's Block 15 A/B airframes have much potential left in them to be upgraded to Block 70 standard. I

Airframe wise, there are methods available, read-up some of the stories related to the Taiwan F-16 upgrades. Lockheed has airframe programs that can guarantee 13,500 hours or 60 years of service, and knowing PAF they could get 16,000 hours out of something certified for 13,500 hours according to western standards.

I'm not advocating this route, just saying the potential certainly exists.

 

[TopGun786]

what!!? They settled for less than AMRAAM D? Even the initial D is not latest now, they should have gotten it.

This "C8" is infact the latest version of D variant called (AIM-120D3).