PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Quwa]

Not gas lighting at all, and dont appreciate the accusation.

" The PAF said that LIFT would come before the NGFA," I missed this, where did PAF say this?

No, not at all, PAF plans change as they have often done with many purchases. Your argument relies on that fact a statement 7 years ago will become fact but ignores statements from the much more recent past, can you see how people may find that strange or do you just assume your word should not be questioned?

Okay, tell me exactly what the PAF has said that states that the LIFT will not come before the NGFA.

We've established that AHQ said the LIFT will come before the FGFA. Yes, it was in 2019, but it was said, on the record, correct?

Now, tell me, on the record, where the PAF said the plan has changed.

Waiting.

PAF has also been evaluating J-35 right? So how do we know LIFT is a priority over that?

I want proof the plan has changed. Show me.

Because, re: LIFT, we have (1) an ACM saying on the record that it will come before NGFA and (2) clear reports (e.g., @Trailer23 plus anyone who spoke to AVIC at IDEAS) of the L-15 being tested WITHIN Pakistan.

Now, show me, where did the PAF say the J-35AE is coming before LIFT.

 

[Yasser76]

Okay, tell me exactly what the PAF has said that states that the LIFT will not come before the NGFA.

We've established that AHQ said the LIFT will come before the FGFA. Yes, it was in 2019, but it was said, on the record, correct?

Now, tell me, on the record, where the PAF said the plan has changed.

Waiting.


I want proof the plan has changed. Show me.

Because, re: LIFT, we have (1) an ACM saying on the record that it will come before NGFA and (2) clear reports (e.g., @Trailer23 plus anyone who spoke to AVIC at IDEAS) of the L-15 being tested WITHIN Pakistan.

Now, show me, where did the PAF say the J-35AE is coming before LIFT.

Easy, you seem really touchy when one questions some of your assumptions, if you want to debate can I suggest some more corteous language, not everyone may be a sycophant.

Lets focus on facts rather then emotions here right?

2019 - PAF did indeed mention LIFT, just like many years before J-10 was mentioned but nothing happened for many years. Since then, nothing, not a word, no planes in Pakistan, no LIFT mentioned in any plans.

Now lets come back top recent times where we see 5th Gen in PAF promo material, PAFG officers specifically mentioning agreements on J-35 and of course the PM's (premature tweet on the matter). These are all very recent, we can both agree on that right?

So your thesis that LIFT will come before J-35 or is a bigger priority can be open for debate? Unless of course that seems to offend you.

 

[Quwa]

Easy, you seem really touchy when one questions some of your assumptions, if you want to debate can I suggest some more corteous language, not everyone may be a sycophant.

Lets focus on facts rather then emotions here right?

2019 - PAF did indeed mention LIFT, just like many years before J-10 was mentioned but nothing happened for many years. Since then, nothing, not a word, no planes in Pakistan, no LIFT mentioned in any plans.

Now lets come back top recent times where we see 5th Gen in PAF promo material, PAFG officers specifically mentioning agreements on J-35 and of course the PM's (premature tweet on the matter). These are all very recent, we can both agree on that right?

So your thesis that LIFT will come before J-35 or is a bigger priority can be open for debate? Unless of course that seems to offend you.

Still waiting.

Where did the PAF say, "J-35 before LIFT?"

 

[Yasser76]

Still waiting.

Where did the PAF say, "J-35 before LIFT?"

Nowhere, but where did PAF say "LIFT before J-35"

We can play your silly word games all day, as I have posted, you are going off the back of 7 year old reports and I am going off the back off recent ones.

Seems like someone questioning you seems to wind you up

"Still waiting"? Grow up man

 

[Quwa]

Nowhere, but where did PAF say "LIFT before J-35"

We can play your silly word games all day, as I have posted, you are going off the back of 7 year old reports and I am going off the back off recent ones.

Seems like someone questioning you seems to wind you up

"Still waiting"? Grow up man

I want a quote, "J-35 before LIFT," on the record.

 

[Yasser76]

I want a quote, "J-35 before LIFT," on the record.

I want a quote "LIFT before J-35" on the record.

Come on Bilal....

You can demand whatever you want, you get called out and the toys come out of the pram. What you going to ask me next, proof earth is round?

 

[Quwa]

I want a quote "LIFT before J-35" on the record.

Come on Bilal....

You can demand whatever you want, you get called out and the toys come out of the pram. What you going to ask me next, proof earth is round?

I am asking you to apply your own standards to yourself.

When you asked, I gave the official PAF record on the LIFT. And then you changed the goalpost to be more recent.

Okay, let's apply your own standards.

Give me the quote.

Do you have one? Yes? No?

 

[Yasser76]

I am asking you to apply your own standards to yourself.

When you asked, I gave the official PAF record on the LIFT. And then you changed the goalpost to be more recent.

Okay, let's apply your own standards.

Give me the quote.

Do you have one? Yes? No?

No, I never claimed to have a quote, you seem to think this is a big "Gotcha" moment Bilal, it's not.

You are desperately trying to change the topic here. You claimed LIFT was coming before J-35. Can we all agree that (on very recent evidence, not 7 year old statements) that is utter bullshit?

Take your "Research partner" ego out of it for one second, you cannot prove what you said and I am pointing to recent statements and facts, you base your "Research" on conjecture.

State 100 things, 50 of them being right does not make you insightful mate.

 

[Quwa]

No, I never claimed to have a quote, you seem to think this is a big "Gotcha" moment Bilal, it's not.

You are desperately trying to change the topic here. You claimed LIFT was coming before J-35. Can we all agree that (on very recent evidence, not 7 year old statements) that is utter bullshit?

Take your "Research partner" ego out of it for one second, you cannot prove what you said and I am pointing to recent statements and facts, you base your "Research" on conjecture.

State 100 things, 50 of them being right does not make you insightful mate.

Get as personal as you want and go after my title, and so on. I don't care...

...all I'm asking for is you to provide a quote about "J-35 before LIFT."

Do you have it, yes or no?

 

[Yasser76]

Get as personal as you want, all I'm asking for is you to provide a quote about "J-35 before LIFT."

Do you have it, yes or no?

Bilal, when I said no a few posts ago, did you manage to read that? Serious question.

When a small child keeps asking the same question again and again and cannot see facts, or refuses to, what do we do with them?

You have zero evidence, I asked, you avoided the question, you asked me about a statement on LIFT, I said I do not have it.

Can you now go back to Quwa and post more AI assisted slop, mostly scraped from this forum in the desperate hope for subscriptions and leave the adults alone?

I am bored now, and you my friend are on ignore

 

[Quwa]

Bilal, when I said no a few posts ago, did you manage to read that? Serious question.

When a small child keeps asking the same question again and again and cannot see facts, or refuses to, what do we do with them?

You have zero evidence, I asked, you avoided the question, you asked me about a statement on LIFT, I said I do not have it.

Can you now go back to Quwa and post more AI assisted slop, mostly scraped from this forum in the desperate hope for subscriptions and leave the adults alone?

I am bored now, and you my friend are on ignore

Okay, so you don't have a quote.

 

[Yasser76]

@Musings @Waz

This person is not banned yet?

 

[Toxic]

@Musings @Waz

This person is not banned yet?

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Why are you editing in your own words into my profile? What's wrong with you?

 

[Yasser76]

Why are you editing in your own words into my profile? What's wrong with you?

@Waz @Musings He posted and deleted, and I think we have a good idea who this is

 

[hasssanali8998]

evaluating J-35 right?

when did that happen ??

as far as we know paf only has observers in j35 program , just like they have observers in the kaan program .

it absolutely makes no sense getting 5th gens
when,
a ) india is nowhere near 5th gen
b) PAF still uses 3rd gen jets , do u not see how insane that is buying j35 when u have to replace so many f7s mirages jf17s and f16s
c) we still fuking train on tweeters ,man behind machine saar but training on baba adam ke zamane ke jahaz



ALSO THE FUCKING AUDACITY TO QUESTION QUWA lmfao ,
this is your third time arguing with people who legit work or sometimes are directly involved in these things , who do u think you are .
take a break yasser before you start arguing with god too