PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If 1 Squadron of J-35 does materializes it would be great plus , however I feel for near future we are quite settled with existing orders of JF17 Block III AND J10C


Short Term Needs for Airforce (1-2 Years) , retire old F-7 & Mirage

• JF17 Block III, next batch
• J10C , remaining 20 to arrive old order

Medium Term Need (1-3 years) , retire old planes Mirage

• J-35 , 1 squadrons , nice if it happens, since these are manufactured in China it is quite possible if official deal was signed in past

Long Term need (5-10 years) , retire Mirage

• KAAN
• J-35

 

[Zarvan]

Don't believe click bait youtube videos and threads few are even claiming that PAF will get J35 on Dec 2026 such as @maverick and @Zarvan @MastanKhan with no reliable proofs and evidence to support their claims

J35's production will start from this year anytime, so I assume within 2-3 years will be reserved for PLAAF/PLAN to induct more J35, remember bro first customer of

Mr you have been proven wrong so many times before but okay whatever floats your boat. Stay happy

 

[harpy1]

I'm.not doubting J35 I doubt the time line because it needs to enter service in reasonable numbers to establish full support maintenance hubs and tactical doctrine networking with chinease radars other fighters that's assuming it has this capability in the first place

It's still in the factory boys so a bit of realism is needed

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Mr you have been proven wrong so many times before but okay whatever floats your boat. Stay happy

What and when I'm proven wrong? Get out of your utopia and fantasy world that we can get J35 in Dec 2026 lol

 

[Rebirth]

If 1 Squadron of J-35 does materializes it would be great plus , however I feel for near future we are quite settled with existing orders of JF17 Block III AND J10C


Short Term Needs for Airforce (1-2 Years) , retire old F-7 & Mirage

• JF17 Block III, next batch
• J10C , remaining 20 to arrive old order

Medium Term Need (1-3 years) , retire old planes Mirage

• J-35 , 1 squadrons , nice if it happens, since these are manufactured in China it is quite possible if official deal was signed in past

Long Term need (5-10 years) , retire Mirage

• KAAN
• J-35

Add retire old / early F-16s who are on verge of retirement with out proper upgrade specially require SLEP from USA to make them air worthy for next 10-15 years at least.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Gotta admire sidhus vision. Rumors or not, something is cooking in Beijing. J10 j35 drones SAMs ew and what not. PAF is at a different level under him.

What’s happening with CENTAIC these days? It might not seem to be much, but on paper these guys are meant to produce some crucial next generation technologies and accompanying doctrines for us in the coming years.

 

[Quwa]

What’s happening with CENTAIC these days? It might not seem to be much, but on paper these guys are meant to produce some crucial next generation technologies and accompanying doctrines for us in the coming years.

tbh AI development is one of those areas where we won't really know until a few years after the fact.

The bulk of AI-related defence work (not just in PAF) feed into other projects, like ESM, ECM, autonomous targeting, autonomous flight, etc.

So, one sign of CENTAIC's progress would be if the PAF's air defence system, for example, starts incorporating AI systems. But how would we know unless they tell us? It's something that can be added pretty low-key through a routine update to HMIs, data links, or as features within a new-gen radar.

One area where it's obvious is with drones and smart munitions. However, the ones making any progress on those fronts are in NESCOM, especially AWC, which isn't tied to CENTAIC or NASTP.

 

[Jungibaaz]

tbh AI development is one of those areas where we won't really know until a few years after the fact.

The bulk of AI-related defence work (not just in PAF) feed into other projects, like ESM, ECM, autonomous targeting, autonomous flight, etc.

So, one sign of CENTAIC's progress would be if the PAF's air defence system, for example, starts incorporating AI systems. But how would we know unless they tell us? It's something that can be added pretty low-key through a routine update to HMIs, data links, or as features within a new-gen radar.

One area where it's obvious is with drones and smart munitions. However, the ones making any progress on those fronts are in NESCOM, especially AWC, which isn't tied to CENTAIC or NASTP.

On the bold bits, I had some hopes tied to their stated efforts towards CEW. For Swift Retort type ops where jamming is used to suppress the formidable IADS that’s developing on the other side, plus adversary LPI radars in the sky, 2019 level tech and tactics won’t work, and even just adopting phased array jammers won’t do.

The only game in town is either low tech cheap saturation, high tech and expensive kinetic solutions (hypersonic), or CEW techniques that are supposed to come from CENTAIC.

 

[Quwa]

On the bold bits, I had some hopes tied to their stated efforts towards CEW. For Swift Retort type ops where jamming is used to suppress the formidable IADS that’s developing on the other side, plus adversary LPI radars in the sky, 2019 level tech and tactics won’t work, and even just adopting phased array jammers won’t do.

The only game in town is either low tech cheap saturation, high tech and expensive kinetic solutions (hypersonic), or CEW techniques that are supposed to come from CENTAIC.

I'm not sure if it's from NESCOM or PAF orgs, but one of our homegrown C-UAS solutions involves SDR technology to jam or interfere with the comms of drones. I'm sure there are a few key AI elements that should be incorporated into that solution, e.g., overcoming (if applicable) encrypted data-links, countering jam-resistant data-links, or trying to find a way to inject a wrong command to the drones, etc.

 

[Oscar]

Gotta admire sidhus vision. Rumors or not, something is cooking in Beijing. J10 j35 drones SAMs ew and what not. PAF is at a different level under him.

No one ever said he was not a good officer - if anything the white paper stemmed from his over pomp and show in certain places but not many objected to his competence.

Not the best choice but not a bad one.

 

[blueboy7862]

Right now I think the Paf have
1 sqd of j10c
1 block 52 F16
3 F16 block 15/30
2 thunder block 3
6 thunder block 1/2
3 F7PG
3 Mirage Rose

I can see F16 sqs transitioning to j35
The F7PG to more block 3 thunders or future pfx but that years years away
The mirages to J10?

F-16's natural replacement is Turk-Pakistani 5th generation fighter jet. Where as L-15s will replace F-7PGs.

 

[Oscar]

I'm not sure if it's from NESCOM or PAF orgs, but one of our homegrown C-UAS solutions involves SDR technology to jam or interfere with the comms of drones. I'm sure there are a few key AI elements that should be incorporated into that solution, e.g., overcoming (if applicable) encrypted data-links, countering jam-resistant data-links, or trying to find a way to inject a wrong command to the drones, etc.

This is where things are going - and is where certain folks in most of the world’s top forces including PAF are thinking or at least musing. Whether they can go beyond musing is upto their economics, human resources and will.

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[Bilal]

This is where things are going - and is where certain folks in most of the world’s top forces including PAF are thinking or at least musing. Whether they can go beyond musing is upto their economics, human resources and will.

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I have always wondered how offensive cyber payloads can be deployed over the air into a non-communicating target.

 

[Agha Sher]

How "downgraded" are the J-10C and PL-15 export versions compared to what China has for domestic use?

 

[Agha Sher]

I.e. does PAF still have the qualitative edge as in 2019?