PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[RealNapster]

The war will not go like this. Let's pretend 4 AC's with average 80 jets. The USAF has an inventory of near 5000 jets. 2000 of these can easily be deployed in Pacific and South China sea. From GUAM to South Korea to Japan and on a few secret Islands, Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, and even India (even if India doesn't jump in, they are obligated to give bases to the allied forces around the strait of Malaca at Nicobar Islands choking ALL Chinese ship based trade).

So China will be facing easily near 2500 -+ jets. If China has 4000 active, it would be left with 1500 lower end 4th Jen J-10C's for local CAP's inside China and some others.

So if you read up, just think about all the nations involved with their militaries and their labor and equipment. A lot needs to happen from the Chinese side militarily. That's why they are working so hard.

Say hello to Chinese rocket force, now also in possession of hypersonic ballistic missiles.

 

[Metal 0-1]

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Let's not also exaggerate it too much.

It was more than likely in same realm as 120D

 

[Dalit]

Let's not also exaggerate it too much.

It was more than likely in same realm as 120D

You are wrong.

 

[Taimoor]

IAF did a minor mistake by relying on the analysis of defence experts like Alpha Defense, The Legate and Defence Matrix.
But it was quickly rectified by May 9th

Indian airforce relied on social media accounts for their information! And what were the rectifications? Flying away from that 200kms buffer zone created by PL15 within Indian airspace, and not showing up when PAF was doing its bombing run from Kashmir down to gujrat.

 

[Taimoor]

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Some resident Pakistani wannabe "experts" won't like to see this.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Courtesy of PAF.

Tempted to delete this post due to so many inaccuracies. When did the F-15 ever use AIM-54?
There are multiple Iranian F-14 kills over 100miles against Iraq. There was even one over 130miles during training in 1979.
The Russian Su-57 kill is reportedly over 140miles using R-37M.

 

[Lion]

You are wrong.

He is not - not even the Reuters article claims it like this. What PAF accomplished was very impressive, we don’t have to hyperbolize it.

 

[Metal 0-1]

You are wrong.

hanji? might wanna eyeball this

 

[Metal 0-1]

No fighter pilot in their right mind is going to use maximum envelope of BVR missile to target a egressing fighter at high speed.

 

[MH.Yang]

Question is will China do what LM did with F16 or close the production line.

China will treat the J-35 like the United States treats the F-16, not the J-10.

In fact, considering that the 6G fighter has already been tested, the J-35 will enter the PLAAF quickly and in large numbers in the short term(Because the mid-2030s will be the time when 6G fighter jets begin to enter the PLAAF), just like the F-16 entered the US Air Force. Then, the J-35 will also begin to focus on the international market like the F-16.

For the J-10C, if there are no orders from other countries, its production line will be closed or sold.

If Pakistan wants to continue upgrading the J-10, I suggest that the PAF purchase the entire J-10C production line (it would certainly be cheaper to buy it now) and then work with the CAC to upgrade it using China's continuously updated subsystems.

 

[MH.Yang]

So far, no air force, not even the USAF, operates its entire fighter fleet comprising solely of 5th generation platforms (6th generation in the future). That day is still around 15 to 20 years in the future and maybe beyond that.

Reason? Costs don't justify the needs (not yet, at least).

So, whatever gets the job done will remain in place for now and may even receive upgraded blocks until the planned numbers are met.

The latest variant of the F-15 is a good example of the point I am trying to make.

Just because the US can't do it doesn't mean China can't. The US and China have different production capacities. For example, the US delivered only nine F-15EXs in five years, while China delivered 350 J-16s during the same period.

 

[MH.Yang]

You brought up good points. However, the world has seen the reality and now knows that Pakistan is truly the world's 6th largest military in the world. The execution of weapons, tactics, updated equipment (still need more of latest) has earned it that respect. South Asia isn't just an Indian domain, it's shared by Pakistan now. No one will doubt Pakistan or take her lightly.

There is a reason why Trump has given the amount of respect to Pakistan the way he did.

Pakistan's military is exceptional, especially its world-class air force. However, we must also recognize that Pakistan suffers from significant geographical disadvantages, with long borders with hostile countries and a lack of depth.

This is particularly true in northern Pakistan, where Islamabad and Rawalpindi are too close to the front lines. Worst of all, Pakistan only has mountainous terrain in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir to deploy defenses; the rest of the country is an indefensible plain.

A modern army with ammunition and sufficient fuel can sustain a first-wave assault for seven days. Therefore, if Pakistan loses the Siachen Glacier, it could face the risk of total collapse or even national extinction.

While Pakistan possesses considerable military strength, it must remain vigilant against its challenging geopolitical environment.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Just because the US can't do it doesn't mean China can't. The US and China have different production capacities. For example, the US delivered only nine F-15EXs in five years, while China delivered 350 J-16s during the same period.

Apples and oranges buddy. The same US can produce over 150 F-35s each year. Just because they are aiming to produce 24-36 F-15Xs per year does not mean that is their capacity. They produced 130+ during peak production years.

 

[MH.Yang]

KJ 500 or any advance Chinese AWACS are definitely need of hour for PAF ...

PAF must working on it ...

What Pakistan most urgently needs is a heavy-strike platform like the J-16. No country can successfully defend against a saturation missile attack. Given the limited number of HQ9/16s, Pakistan can only choose which targets to defend. The true solution to the BrahMos problem is to employ heavy-strike platforms for cross-border strikes, as Israel does.

 

[Assault Rifle]

and not showing up when PAF was doing its bombing run from Kashmir down to gujrat.

And you just made that up.