PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Scorpio]

Pakistan certainly buy more J-10Cs, but my point is Pakistan should focus on the next conflict
India will not be stupid enough to send a plane 100km away to border
They will choose to launch BrahMos from far away.Pakistan's air defense is relatively weak,So AWACS is needed to help Pakistan in air defense operations

Definitely... They also need ADS along new AWACS .. which definitely PAF thinking and working around .. even new EWs as well on list .. as D20 are now quite old ..

Problems all these need Funds .. they have to divide limited funds in all these area's

 

[Taimoor]

And you just made that up.

PAF was extensively using BREKs and CM400s all across India western theatre. Not single occasion IAF challenged PAF. Name me one occasion IAF fired its air to air missiles in anger?

 

[RajaBaja]

E2D reaches $400 million in international market,I think KJ500 will not exceed this number,Considering the relationship between China and Pakistan, maybe $250-300 million per aircraft.Pakistan can buy 3-4 KJ500s cost $1 billion
It can just fill the vacancy left by the retirement of ZDK-03.Because of Pakistan's excellent performance on May 7, I think China is willing to provide low-interest loans.

KJ-500 is on the table of negotiations. If HQ-19 is coming, KJ-500 will be needed with it. Plus some more J-10C's or ideally, J-35's. Depending on price, affordability and availability.

Pakistan today is not the Pakistan of 2020-2022. Back then we had a lot of financial issues. We've stabilized and moving slowly upwards economically. Post 2028, our economy will start to take off and defense budget also. We can pay per delivery in installments. That's no longer a big issue, unless are buying too many things due to immediate needs.

Buying the Erieye-ER radar set and putting that on top of a Saab 2000 is alot cheaper and equally as capable as the KJ500 and E2Ds by "many multiples".

However, I do wonder if/when Sweden will put up their prices given the good performance of the Erieye platform. France has recently bought into this platform as their AEW&C solution.

Big different in Erieye and KJ-500. KJ-500 forms that Chinese kill-chain once US airforce's general talked about. KJ-500 is essentially an OTH solution. Much more range, targeting capability, works with stealth platforms and many more sensors.

 

[TopGun786]

IAF not opposing PAF or that IAF made a minor mistake.
Minor - lol
What a pathetic excuse of fanboy calls losing multi million dollar jets minor.

Also losing some 7 top trained pilots including Shivangi Singh (front line war propaganda person also) must be a "minor" mistake for India. After at least 5-7 IAF jets loses accepted by India (depending on different Indian officials and media persons) the next debate should be why those dead pilots are not being recognized and honored?

 

[Yasser76]

Buying the Erieye-ER radar set and putting that on top of a Saab 2000 is alot cheaper and equally as capable as the KJ500 and E2Ds by "many multiples".

However, I do wonder if/when Sweden will put up their prices given the good performance of the Erieye platform. France has recently bought into this platform as their AEW&C solution.

We have used the Erieye twice in combat now with great success, first in 2019 guiding F-16s and then in May this year guiding J-10Cs. Both times obtaining kills.

Amazing system, we should keep it and PAF was VERY sensible in buying additional airframes for transport/training. Kamra bas attack was a blessing in disguise, it forced us to learn to rebuild the bird from scracth. Essentially now all we need is to oorder 5 more systems and PAF can convert it's 5 standard SAAB 2000s to Erieye, we could up the fleet from 10 to 15 Erieyes. Beauty is we can do this all in house after SAAB certified our rebuild capacity after Kamra attack

If we have ensured that the radars are the ER version too that would be even better

15 of these ER birds would place PAF behind only USAF and PLAAF regarding AEW capability

 

[Cookie Monster]

Is ka to apna aesa aligned nahi

AESA radar's electronic beam steering in action...
...no matter where he is looking...he sees u...nowhere to hide

 

[ARMalik]

That is what the Chinese members @Michael @Shanlung @nang2 @chinasun are trying to explain to us again and again. China has a LOT of catching up to do. China's own needs are so massive that for the next ten years at the least, the Chinese manufacturing is going to be busy with producing weapons ONLY for their needs.

They will offer some weapons for foreign buyers but not so much that they will risk their internal orders to be delayed.

Take an example, whether one likes it or not, China is now in a direct competition with the US. There may even be a war on Taiwan between the two. So can China go to war with less military, top end aircrafts, and weapon systems than the US? No, it will lose. So that's their current industry focus.

Just imagine, US air force along has 2500+ combat jets, US Navy also has 3700 aircraft our of which half should be combat jets, then you have US marines also with about 400-500 combat jets of various kind. So China is facing a super power with over 5000 combat jets. Additionally, there are around 5000+ RESERVES. So China has to estimate and war game this massive number. Of course, not all of these will be in a fight but what if a real war starts and goes long term?

So in my opinion, China needs around 4000 combat jets out of which, at least 2000+ will be 5th gen. China still can't beat the US in numbers and reserves because the US has been building reserves since 1980's for a war with Russia. But from what I am seeing is, China wants to outpace the older inventory of US systems by advance TECH. That's why we see J-20, J-35, J-36 and J-50 being in pipes. China is building a future airforce and navy. While the US has a large number of older platforms compared to what China is building.

@Yasser76 @Meengla @pwfi @PAKISTANFOREVER @corven @Pakistan Space Agency @LX1111 your input on above?

I respectfully disagree with these so called Chinese members. China can NEVER win against the US or even EU if it does NOT HAVE STRONG ALLIES. Having strong allies is the CORNERSTONE of US policy and foundation of its Superpower status. If these Chinese members still have not figured this out then I can only pray that people wake up and realize this very key factor responsible for US Success.

But fortunately for Pakistan, these so called Chiense members have ZERO Influcence in Chinese Govt, and the Chinese Govt realized the need for Strong allies a VERY LONG TIME AGO. And don't take my word for it -- let the recent and future actions of the Chinese Govt prove this.

 

[RajaBaja]

I respectfully disagree with these so called Chinese members. China can NEVER win against the US or even EU if it does NOT HAVE STRONG ALLIES. Having strong allies is the CORNERSTONE of US policy and foundation of its Superpower status. If these Chinese members still have not figured this out then I can only pray that people wake up and realize this very key factor responsible for US Success.

But fortunately for Pakistan, these so called Chiense members have ZERO Influcence in Chinese Govt, and the Chinese Govt realized the need for Strong allies a VERY LONG TIME AGO.

I don't understand. These Chinese members aren't talking about "winning" from anyone?

They are just explaining Chinese priorities in weapons production. Not any war with anyone.

Whether they have or don't have influence is none of reason behind the post and explaining Chinese weapons manufacturing priorities.

 

[Deino]

Via my old friend Ugo CRISPONI!

 

[Michael]

Via my old friend Ugo CRISPONI!

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Unfortunately, the picture is wrong.PLAAF's J-10C ......

 

[Deino]

Unfortunately, the picture is wrong.PLAAF's J-10C ......

You mean that PLAAF J-10C is wrong or just in the wrong thread?

 

[Michael]

You mean that PLAAF J-10C is wrong or just in the wrong thread?

PLAAF's J-10C, not what it looks like in the picture.

 

[Deino]

PLAAF's J-10C, not what it looks like in the picture.

Pardon, what's wrong with it ?

 

[Michael]

Pardon, what's wrong with it ?

Here's an extra antenna. This is typical of PLAAF's own version of the J-10C.
J-10B and J-10CE, no antenna here.


PLAAF's J-10B and PAF's J-10CE, which look a lot alike. The most noticeable difference is the formation lights under the cockpit canopy.The J-10B is three-segmented and the J-10CE is two-segmented.

So, this picture of yours looks more like PLAAF's J-10B. not J-10C ......

 

[ARMalik]

I don't understand. These Chinese members aren't talking about "winning" from anyone?

They are just explaining Chinese priorities in weapons production. Not any war with anyone.

Whether they have or don't have influence is none of reason behind the post and explaining Chinese weapons manufacturing priorities.

Again I don't think you comprehend what I said - just like the Chinese members perhaps. And please don't be naive by using the term " These Chinese members Aren't talking about winning from anyone". Their grand daddy USA is on their door step with full suite of weapons and ready to pound the Chinese ass big time. So please spare us with this naivity of "Not winning" bullshit.

So whatever Chinese weapons production priorities are for themselves, they have no option but to have the same Priorities of weapons production for their key strategic allies AS WELL. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.