PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Afif]

Not exactly, and having a mature kill chain means not every J-10 needs to be emitting and that if the datalink picture is clean enough you can launch a PL-15 in Lock On After Launch or passive mode to a supposed target location.

Meteor also has this capability except India hasn’t bothered to go as far as to integrate it yet within their net. Probably on their priority now.

Can we assume then J10CE data link capabilities (among each other) are greater than that of link 16 and link 17? Because afaik neither has enough bandwidth to pass weapon quality tracks in real time so that recieving aircrafts can passively guide weapons.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

JF-17 can't stay at 40000 ft for long, so it flies at 30000. This reduces range of PL-15, even if it is guided by some other asset.

sir, can a bad pilot fly Jf 17 block III?

or only outliers can fly JF 17 III or J 10 CE?

 

[Oscar]

Can we assume then J10CE data link capabilities (among each other) are greater than that of link 16 and link 17? Because afaik neither has enough bandwidth to pass weapon quality tracks in real time so that recieving aircrafts can passively guide weapons.

Link-17 was designed with the concepts of Link-16 and Link-22 to take the best of both worlds - There is a common misconception that you need massive bandwidth (like 5G or Wi-Fi) to guide a missile.
You are sending a small packet of numbers: Target ID, Latitude, Longitude, Altitude, Velocity, and Heading. The Link-17 message is is only a few hundred bits long. Even a relatively slow connection (like 50-100 kilobits per second) can transmit hundreds of these updates every second.

It is never the amount of data (bandwidth), but the quality (accuracy/latency) of the data. That was sufficient to send to the J-10 which then acts as data aggregator and guides the PL-15 on that proprietary datalink to it.

 

[rafale]

Link-17 was designed with the concepts of Link-16 and Link-22 to take the best of both worlds - There is a common misconception that you need massive bandwidth (like 5G or Wi-Fi) to guide a missile.
You are sending a small packet of numbers: Target ID, Latitude, Longitude, Altitude, Velocity, and Heading. The Link-17 message is is only a few hundred bits long. Even a relatively slow connection (like 50-100 kilobits per second) can transmit hundreds of these updates every second.

It is never the amount of data (bandwidth), but the quality (accuracy/latency) of the data. That was sufficient to send to the J-10 which then acts as data aggregator and guides the PL-15 on that proprietary datalink to it.

Does the data aggregator capability exists in similar fashion on the JF-17 BLK III/IIs?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Link-17 was designed with the concepts of Link-16 and Link-22 to take the best of both worlds - There is a common misconception that you need massive bandwidth (like 5G or Wi-Fi) to guide a missile.
You are sending a small packet of numbers: Target ID, Latitude, Longitude, Altitude, Velocity, and Heading. The Link-17 message is is only a few hundred bits long. Even a relatively slow connection (like 50-100 kilobits per second) can transmit hundreds of these updates every second.

It is never the amount of data (bandwidth), but the quality (accuracy/latency) of the data. That was sufficient to send to the J-10 which then acts as data aggregator and guides the PL-15 on that proprietary datalink to it.

I m not an engineer (excuse my ignorance), I dont understand, this issue around bandwidth when images from the moon can be transmitted

 

[Oscar]

Does the data aggregator capability exists in similar fashion on the JF-17 BLK III/IIs?

I do not know

 

[MastanKhan]

sir, can a bad pilot fly Jf 17 block III?

or only outliers can fly JF 17 III or J 10 CE?

Hi,

Flying an aircraft is a stair step progress and these are not ordinary stairs---.

The climb up requires to be at the top of your game---.

But if you have spent some time in the flight trainer simulator---even a bad pilot should be able to fly it---. What he can do with the machine is a totally different thing---.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

Flying an aircraft is a stair step progress and these are not ordinary stairs---.

The climb up requires to be at the top of your game---.

But if you have spent some time in the flight trainer simulator---even a bad pilot should be able to fly it---. What he can do with the machine is a totally different thing---.

thank you for your response!
so, it means, basically becoming a fighter pilot is big, downside bet!

with so many hours, if one has nothing to show, it could be frustrating

OTOH, drone operators, could achieve much much more


whats the motivation for becoming the best fighter pilot?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

Flying an aircraft is a stair step progress and these are not ordinary stairs---.

The climb up requires to be at the top of your game---.

But if you have spent some time in the flight trainer simulator---even a bad pilot should be able to fly it---. What he can do with the machine is a totally different thing---.

sir, taking liberty to ask another stupid question.

is it possible that very aggressive and smart pilot becomes dumb by the time he is done flying!

surely, it is not a one way street, the way I have understood it!

 

[MastanKhan]

thank you for your response!
so, it means, basically becoming a fighter pilot is big, downside bet!

with so many hours, if one has nothing to show, it could be frustrating

OTOH, drone operators, could achieve much much more


whats the motivation for becoming the best fighter pilot?

Hi,

It is the COWBOY syndrome---.

Quick draw

Sharp shooter

Playing that ultimate manly game for the sake of the welfare of the nation---

Ready for that ultimate sacrifice within a moments notice

Not knowing that if those are your last seconds---or last minutes when you jumped in the cockpit to take off for the "last ride" or if you are coming back---.

No care of the family---wife or children per say ( these are stoppoing factors )

Nation first nation last.

This is a different breed of men and women---.

When you cross that line to become a soldier in uniform---you have passed into a different " universe persay " where the rules of "LIVING" are different---where the need to "sacrifice your life" when needed is more importatant than to save your life---.

I hope I put it it easy to understand.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

It is the COWBOY syndrome---.

Quick draw

Sharp shooter

Playing that ultimate manly game for the sake of the welfare of the nation---

Ready for that ultimate sacrifice within a moments notice

Not knowing that if those are your last seconds---or last minutes when you jumped in the cockpit to take off for the "last ride" or if you are coming back---.

No care of the family---wife or children per say ( these are stoppoing factors )

Nation first nation last.

This is a different breed of men and women---.

When you cross that line to become a soldier in uniform---you have passed into a different " universe persay " where the rules of "LIVING" are different---where the need to "sacrifice your life" when needed is more importatant than to save your life---.

I hope I put it it easy to understand.

actually, you explained it very well

Im a finance professional, so I wanted to know.

thank you for your detailed response

 

[MastanKhan]

actually, you explained it very well

Im a finance professional, so I wanted to know.

thank you for your detailed response

HI,

PAF---from the pilot to the tech---. They all live in a totally different world---a world beyond the imagination of the civilians.

The only country---whose military or which nations security has sort of our concernns like ours is only Israel---but their eemies are militarily weaks.

We are the only nation which has a 5 times larger military force to destroy us to kingdom come at the first opportunity that it may get---.

So---for the PAF---to be ready---and to be prepared to take on the enemy at an instants notice---to maintain aircraft to fight that 5 times large enemy---to fly and operate those aircraft at the 110% of their abilities ever day---every minute---every second and make the right decision at every faceoff---is something to be cherished---. It is called " going beyond the call of duty " every minute of the day and night to be prepared to come out ahead---.

So what does that mean---

every decision made has to be the right decision
every one involved has to be on the top of their game
fear is not an option
there is no place for second thughts.

I hope I explained it a little better.

 

[Dreamer]

Just because I gave the dislike ( ) reaction to couple of silly posts in this thread by Mr. @Mighty_Dragon_Strike , he is going around searching for my posts and giving the dislike ( ) reaction to my posts in other threads.


I mean talk about being Shallow!!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Just because I gave the dislike ( ) reaction to couple of silly posts in this thread by Mr. @Mighty_Dragon_Strike , he is going around searching for my posts and giving the dislike ( ) reaction to my posts in other threads.


I mean talk about being Shallow!!

can I ask, why are you giving me dislike?

any particular reason, I see many posts, with which I dont agree with, I dont down vote them, bec. my consent is not needed!

why do you have to down vote my post, in the first place?!
whats the point of forum, ask questions and share opinions?

have I abused you, have i mo***ested you, have I cursed you?!!!


if you are, then it is my right to down vote you, I dont have to explain anything to you!

stop calling me shallow, you are coward and duplicit

please have setup mental examination for yourself, seems you urgently need one

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

There is an "american proverb " ----SH-IT HAPPENS---.

Happened to Air Marshall Hasseb Piracha when he chose silence over giving the order to engage I believe in 2019 strike in disputed kashmir---.

An Israeli commander would not have had second thoughts---.

If you can---read up the actions of Col. Ariel Saron during the 1973 Ramzan war.

okay, so as I understand, in this line of work (Duty)

professionalism is defined very differently from ordinary civilian line of work.

at least, I did not think of that before!