PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[F-2]

Some fellows at Deka ironworks (developers of the DCS world jf-17) posted pictures of their J-10C simulation. It’s interesting to note some of the differences.

Note direction 1 and 2

 

[studsmart]

Depends on what you are modeling,

I have modeled 1 month , 3 month and 6 month models

China joins the Frey after 1 month of armed conflict .

I added a ground force with mission

objective
1) take 50-100% of Kashmir and sir creek ,

2) China takes all contested territory from india

I projected this conflict starting September 2027 or march 2028

The naval arm would have objective, keep sea lines open and deny India forces any support from the sea, force India , I modeled escort of Indian shipping in the Arabian Sea and 4 new Chinese sub in Pakistani inventory are

i ran similar scenarios with similar results ,

I will post my scenario for you to critique

I did not expand the offensive punch yet, but sure, please share your scenarios. I will try to document mine next time. I also found that 2 JF17C with Link 17 and AEWCS can neutralize 1 Rafael. If I pitch 4 vs 4, the fight becomes pretty even against Rafael. 1 x 1 JF17 with Su30MKI is a problem. Make it 4 x 4, and JF17C can decimate SU30MKI. Even in 2 x 2 scenarios, it becomes even. I also found that AEWCS and ground-based air defenses like HQ9B and HQ16FE are part of the defense. My final assertion is that J10C with JF17C can help PAF achieve air superiority, especially over Kashmir, which would leave the Indian Army at the mercy of Pakistan within 3-5 days of the conflict. If PAF deploys J10C in numbers like 100, IAF is pretty much done even with 100 Rafael. If PAF deploys 40 J35A and 36 J10C, plus 30 JF17C, supported by 75 F17 and 135 JF17A/B, IAF is pretty much done even with 150 Rafael, supported by ground-based missiles, etc. I also found that PL15 is a game changer, and PL17, when inducted, will also change the air battle completely. I also try all sorts of scenario where IAF come on top but PAF is never decimated. i need to add drones to my model in air warfare.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I did not expand the offensive punch yet, but sure, please share your scenarios. I will try to document mine next time. I also found that 2 JF17C with Link 17 and AEWCS can neutralize 1 Rafael. If I pitch 4 vs 4, the fight becomes pretty even against Rafael. 1 x 1 JF17 with Su30MKI is a problem. Make it 4 x 4, and JF17C can decimate SU30MKI. Even in 2 x 2 scenarios, it becomes even. I also found that AEWCS and ground-based air defenses like HQ9B and HQ16FE are part of the defense. My final assertion is that J10C with JF17C can help PAF achieve air superiority, especially over Kashmir, which would leave the Indian Army at the mercy of Pakistan within 3-5 days of the conflict. If PAF deploys J10C in numbers like 100, IAF is pretty much done even with 100 Rafael. If PAF deploys 40 J35A and 36 J10C, plus 30 JF17C, supported by 75 F17 and 135 JF17A/B, IAF is pretty much done even with 150 Rafael, supported by ground-based missiles, etc. I also found that PL15 is a game changer, and PL17, when inducted, will also change the air battle completely. I also try all sorts of scenario where IAF come on top but PAF is never decimated. i need to add drones to my model in air warfare.

RAfales F5s may also come with a better missile, dont write that off, not to mention stealth drones that could fire missiles.

if you add these factor in, you will find, Pak. needs J35 fast bec. of its bdgetary limitations

further, PAF needs to win emphatically, mere 1 to 1 damage would make PAF weaker, bec. it has less numbers of jets

further, air superiority for PAF, can also be a paradox for its missile forces. If PAF, does not maintain superiority, then, supplies and logistics could become problem for PAk.

so, what should you test, then:

1. PAF superiority for 30 days without losing any single major asset
2. complete collapse of Ind. rocket force
3. total failure of whole Rf5 Rafale fleet

if not, Pak. will end up on the losing side (IMHO)

 

[hasssanali8998]

 

[F-2]

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J-10, F-15, F-16, and Su-27 family are the only fourth gens to kill other fourth gens.

 

[Bratva]

Dragon Riders..


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Why does it look like the OG OC and his team who went to china and trained on J-10 and took it back to Pakistan has been rotated out and posted to other SQ's?

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[Hussain]

Aurangzeb did his average stuttering presentations.

When your brain works faster than your tongue, you stutter. Just saying...

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

When your brain works faster than your tongue, you stutter. Just saying...

absolute soulless thing to say, as if, stuttering takes out decision making abilities

 

[Michael]

Why does it look like the OG OC and his team who went to china and trained on J-10 and took it back to Pakistan has been rotated out and posted to other SQ's?

@side-winder @AeronautIR

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Old photos from 2023.

 

[Oscar]

USAF has a huge fleet... it is easier for PAF which has set up 2 different depots for MLU and Blk 52 separately...
Our mission types are also way lesser than them... except CT ops, mainly A2A only... no Harpoon or HARM etc.
Very few aircraft that are down for a long time. E.g., I remember one that had its wings sent to USA. Otherwise, periodic maintenance is planned in a way that no more than 2 aircraft are in Engg wing.

Also helps that PAF worked with GD to create a very PAF specific maintenance cycle - will tag in F-16 thread.

 

[Yasser76]

Why does it look like the OG OC and his team who went to china and trained on J-10 and took it back to Pakistan has been rotated out and posted to other SQ's?

@side-winder @AeronautIR

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Yeah, can be he was J-10C pilot and promotion put him in another unit. Very rare for pilots to stay on just one type their whole career

 

[RocketLaw]

 

[Ali_Baba]

Some fellows at Deka ironworks (developers of the DCS world jf-17) posted pictures of their J-10C simulation. It’s interesting to note some of the differences.

Note direction 1 and 2

I can't wait - will be an interesting sim. Hope they do the "export" version of it - ie in English!

 

[Raider 21]

Why does it look like the OG OC and his team who went to china and trained on J-10 and took it back to Pakistan has been rotated out and posted to other SQ's?

@side-winder @AeronautIR

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PAF works like that. The best guys were picked to convert on F-16s in the 80s, and they ended up doing their CCS on non-F-16 platforms, just an example. Some can be disciplinary, but vast majority are rotated around. No major conspiracies other than politics sometimes. @AeronautIR would know better I am sure.....

 

[AeronautIR]

PAF works like that. The best guys were picked to convert on F-16s in the 80s, and they ended up doing their CCS on non-F-16 platforms, just an example. Some can be disciplinary, but vast majority are rotated around. No major conspiracies other than politics sometimes. @AeronautIR would know better I am sure.....

Sir Imtiaz became OC Flying at the same base after his promotion to Gp Captain... the 2nd OC is also a Gp Captain now, you can see him in 14 Aug award ceremony. No Chinese trained J-10 pilot has been posted to any other sqn.
PS: @Bratva the tag isn't working for some reason