PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Michael]

Yup it's hefty price for sure
But relative to your induction price of 50 million for inferior j10 it's a bargain ..
How....because 50,million is a lot bigger cost per unit to Pakistan than 161, million to your eastern neighbor that has ten times your purchasing power
Even better
Pak rupee to dollar 300
Indian rupee to dollar 85
Now whose head is spinning

I think this may be the reason why some India generals think that the Rafale fighter is more powerful than the J20.
Because, India money to buy 2 Rafale, China can only buy 3 J20, So, India is stronger than China.
According to this logic, India's Rafale is more expensive than the F35, can we consider the Rafale more powerful than the F35?

 

[Hussain]

France is neither ally nor aligned to any one but ally and aligned to the countries with heavy pockets only any time this country can change its stance or alliance when she see heavy shiny coins in one,s pocket.PAKISTAN,I think,have long experience of dealing with France in such matters.

I loved what France did with the Scorpene subs. expect another screw up soon.....

India: Scorpene submarine data leak 'no security threat'

India says a massive data leak from a French shipbuilder of submarines designed for its navy do not "pose any security compromise".

www.bbc.com

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/frances-dcns-says-india-submarine-data-leak-may-be-economic-warfare-idUSKCN10Z04S/

India and the Scorpene Leak: Untangling the Knots

Answering 3 critical questions about the leaked information on India’s submarines.

thediplomat.com

 

[hussain0216]

I think this may be the reason why some India generals think that the Rafale fighter is more powerful than the J20.
Because, India money to buy 2 Rafale, China can only buy 3 J20, so India is richer than China!

Indian reasoning and cope is retarded beyond belief

 

[mythbuster]

The JF-17 PFX is a promotional code so far. There is no information on the tactical orientation of its design or the logic of its design. We don't even know for sure who was involved in its design.
So, we need to stay on the sidelines for the JF-17 PFX. It is not appropriate for us to make any judgment or analysis about it.
No belittling, no empty analysis.
We need further information from the official authorities before we can analyse it. This information may be direct or indirect. But we need at least some information to analyze and discuss, not just analyze with "JF-17 PFX" code.

In the field of the global military industry. It is not uncommon for weapons development programs to be terminated midway after they are officially announced. Some weapons development programmes have even been terminated after they have been completed. There are many similar situations in China. This is normal.

So, stay on the sidelines.

Make this one a sticky post .

 

[mythbuster]

You narrative is biased
India is building much cheaper air force at home be it
Netra Awacs
Astra bvrs
Uttam Aesa radars
Akash and barark Sam's
Tejas fighters
Dhruv helicopters
Prasand combat helicopters

And yes all of these are entering mass production right now

The Rafale is the tip of the spear because it adds something different something combat proven from a military power that historically makes great war planes and missiles

Same reason we continue to add s400 USA drones or USA helicopters etc

But we are not just adding fancy toys because we have money

Your post is envy and incorrect narrative

But my post was in direct reaction to your mastan thinking 161 million dollars is putting India in a spin

Yet it's you people on financial ruin and spending 50 million. Per j10 is a lot bigger portion of your national resources

You keep on making money , we will send ghaznvi bro to collect the tax .

 

[MastanKhan]

harpy1 said:
Yup it's hefty price for sure
But relative to your induction price of 50 million for inferior j10 it's a bargain ..

How....because 50,million is a lot bigger cost per unit to Pakistan than 161, million to your eastern neighbor that has ten times your purchasing power
Even better
Pak rupee to dollar 300
Indian rupee to dollar 85

Now whose head is spinning


Hi,

It is about the cost of labor---France has one of the highest labor costs in the western region---and on top of that france is charging whatever price it wants to for the Rafales---because they are in high demand.

Pakistan pays around $750 a month to its top engineers---and about $400 a month---maybe less to technicians on the JF17 program.

European engineers would be getting 8-12-15000 euros a month---and techs would be getting around 4-6000 euros a month.

JF17 project is a minimum profit deal and same for the J10C's---just covering the costs---.

The profit on the Rafale is about 100-300% of the actual cost of the unit.

@harpy1

 

[Hussain]

According to this logic, India's Rafale is more expensive than the F35, can we consider the Rafale more powerful than the F35?

F35 and upgraded F22, both

 

[Reichmarshal]

New additional order, or a statement of the original order for the JF17C's ?

Orignal order still stands

 

[studsmart]

Orignal order still stands

what was the original order

 

[Oscar]

harpy1 said:
Yup it's hefty price for sure
But relative to your induction price of 50 million for inferior j10 it's a bargain ..

How....because 50,million is a lot bigger cost per unit to Pakistan than 161, million to your eastern neighbor that has ten times your purchasing power
Even better
Pak rupee to dollar 300
Indian rupee to dollar 85

Now whose head is spinning


Hi,

It is about the cost of labor---France has one of the highest labor costs in the western region---and on top of that france is charging whatever price it wants to for the Rafales---because they are in high demand.

Pakistan pays around $750 a month to its top engineers---and about $400 a month---maybe less to technicians on the JF17 program.

European engineers would be getting 8-12-15000 euros a month---and techs would be getting around 4-6000 euros a month.

JF17 project is a minimum profit deal and same for the J10C's---just covering the costs---.

The profit on the Rafale is about 100-300% of the actual cost of the unit.

@harpy1

What is unfortunate - is that this “expensive” actually translates to how they assess their local projects and their effectiveness.

If something in India claims to provide a similar performance to a French system but costs 1/20th it must not be of high quality

 

[Reichmarshal]

what was the original order

Five0

 

[Cesur]

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It's absolute beast of fighter
The rolls Royce of air power
We are delighted more are coming

And even more likely in the future
France is a great ally
It's a serious addition to air power in the region

India doesn't have many options. It hasn't developed the Tejas let alone AMCA. Russian tech is inferior and there is always a risk of sanctions and supply chain issues. It also can't get F-35s from the U.S due to S-400s. So it has no option but to go to France and pay a premium for 4.5 Gen Rafales. China already has J-16s and J-20s deployed near you and it has already begun working on 6th Gen program. China to dooor ke baat hai how will you counter Pakistan's acquisitions of J-10Cs, J-31s and Kaan?

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Not PAF but still relevant IMO

J10s HUD display during a bird strike

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Faithfulguy]

I think this may be the reason why some India generals think that the Rafale fighter is more powerful than the J20.
Because, India money to buy 2 Rafale, China can only buy 3 J20, So, India is stronger than China.
According to this logic, India's Rafale is more expensive than the F35, can we consider the Rafale more powerful than the F35?

Indians like to bargain in the markets.but got rip off in the expensive military procurements. Penny wise, pound foolish.