PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[Falgrine]

Yes - They sent some of the best from F-16 stream onto J-10s.

Some of the cream is still manning old Viper sqns. The bst of the best.

You know, who escorted CDF recently. One of the finest PAF has ever produced.

 

[side-winder]

Some of the cream is still manning old Viper sqns. The bst of the best.

You know, who escorted CDF recently. One of the finest PAF has ever produced.

Yes - No 9 Sqn played an important role in the escort plan but it were J10s which went all the way into Iran with CDF.

 

[Blain2]

Yes - No 9 Sqn played an important role in the escort plan but it were J10s which went all the way into Iran with CDF.

That is because J-10s/JF-17s are IFR capable, F-16s aren't given we don't have a tanker for them. Second, as we are all aware, the longest stick is with the J-10s and JF-17. So these things had to be catered for.

 

[Jango]

south asians finding every way to make themselves look unprofessional.

Firstly, pilots/servicemembers shouldnt be speaking to the public like this IMO. We have DGPR etc for this. It creates the possibility for confusion but also could create issues wrt narrative. Just diminishes credibility. Like, wasn't it 6-0 first, then 7-0, now its 8-0? IMO its very childish and unprofessional the way they plaster these numbers around, almost feels like they have to prove a point. Look at the way others do it.

Also, just in general, our PR game is shit. DGISPR making jokes about Kashmir rescuing India is so cringe. Hes like a deranged unhinged uncle at a party, except he holds an important post and just spews nonsense

It's just the memefication of global politics IMO.

Just take a look at Hegseth trying so hard to cosplay as a tough guy but turning the DoD into a glorified frat house.

 

[White Privilege]

That is because J-10s/JF-17s are IFR capable, F-16s aren't given we don't have a tanker for them. Second, as we are all aware, the longest stick is with the J-10s and JF-17. So these things had to be catered for.

Why was such an escort necessary?? I can understand the Iranians fearing for their lives while travelling to Islamabad but the why would the CDF need an escort flying into Tehran??

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Let the enemy underestimate us so they're not having to impose an arms race on us.

Misinformation and lack of information makes perfect sense here.

Do they have any other option to maintain their sanity? Anyway, the case of Shirk is in fact a case of clinical level psychosis....

 

[White Privilege]

You are jumping to conclusions. Pakistan will squeeze one more upgrade for the fleet inshallah which will keep the Viper relevant till 2040+ timeframe.

In the MR capacity, F-16s are a huge value-add. No other platform can carry as much ordnance and deliver it with as much precision as the F-16s (specially the blk-52s and others that have been upgraded to Blk-52 specification ~ together these number close to 55 so this is 3 squadrons worth of capability which is huge and should be invested in and maintained.)

if upgraded to Blk-70 standard, F-16s would be the platform of choice after the stealth J-35s. Lot of "ifs" here but anything is possible.

I don't know why Pakistan could even hallucinate that a block 70 upgrade is possible, most likely PAF would use these F-16s as the last line of defence for base defence until they fly into the sunset, which is sad. Someone should ask the Americans how they feel they made their star fighter platform toothless just for politics in the hands of one of the few air forces that brought the coveted kills for their platform.

 

[puttputt]

Let the enemy underestimate us so they're not having to impose an arms race on us.

Misinformation and lack of information makes perfect sense here.

Letting the world believe we're getting J-35AEs by the end of the year is literally the opposite of letting the enemy "underestimate us."

 

[Blain2]

I don't know why Pakistan could even hallucinate that a block 70 upgrade is possible, most likely PAF would use these F-16s as the last line of defence for base defence until they fly into the sunset, which is sad. Someone should ask the Americans how they feel they made their star fighter platform toothless just for politics in the hands of one of the few air forces that brought the coveted kills for their platform.

Just the same way 2005 happened after 1982. Nobody expected 2005 to happen but it did.

Translation to make the point: First purchase in 82 and then the second one in 2005. That is 23 long years after the first purchase. Overnight winds turned conducive and Pakistan was able to buy new and modernize old.

The same could transpire this time around as well.

 

[Blain2]

Why was such an escort necessary?? I can understand the Iranians fearing for their lives while travelling to Islamabad but the why would the CDF need an escort flying into Tehran??

It was an active war-zone. Pakistan was trying to broker peace. Peace was not at-hand then. Iranians could not provide the security of our officials and given that Israeli bastards had already struck Doha, there was a precedence.

It was being prudent which is the task of our military planners.

 

[Taimoor]

You are jumping to conclusions. Pakistan will squeeze one more upgrade for the fleet inshallah which will keep the Viper relevant till 2040+ timeframe.

In the MR capacity, F-16s are a huge value-add. No other platform can carry as much ordnance and deliver it with as much precision as the F-16s (specially the blk-52s and others that have been upgraded to Blk-52 specification ~ together these number close to 55 so this is 3 squadrons worth of capability which is huge and should be invested in and maintained.)

if upgraded to Blk-70 standard, F-16s would be the platform of choice after the stealth J-35s. Lot of "ifs" here but anything is possible.

You are going to buy cutting edge J35s, you are going to add further J10CPs which are themselves 4.5+ gen platforms, you are going to produce more JF blk3s which are 4.5 gen, and then on top of that the PFX program. Add the maintenance and weapon package cost of the above. After all said and done, do you really believe we will have spare dosh available for Blk-70s? Mind you, a platform, all of F16s, which we cannot customised according to our own needs and more importantly, inhouse weapons systems? And at what cost in literal terms?

F16s have been great servant to Pakistan, they still have utility as third tier line of defence , well behind the spearhead of j35/J10/JFblk3 , and of course can slap the rag tags in east at leisure, but in greater scheme of things, the bigger picture, I just dont see us increasing their numbers with newer models or even weapons packages. You are not going to slap IAF into submission with F16s, that will be done by the spearhead I mentioned.

 

[Vital]

Exceptional fighter pilot. One of those meant for this job.

Always the bald ones.. lol
God bless these sons of our motherland

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Letting the world believe we're getting J-35AEs by the end of the year is literally the opposite of letting the enemy "underestimate us."

No official has made that statement to date. It is hearsay from the Mamoo Network.

 

[Falgrine]

Yes - No 9 Sqn played an important role in the escort plan but it were J10s which went all the way into Iran with CDF.

And 29ers, they were with CDF too. They are being lead by an exemplary leader. A real maverick.

 

[side-winder]

And 29ers too. They were with CDF too. They are being lead by an exemplary leader. A real maverick.

Nah bro.
F16s didn't have the fuel for flying to Tehran in combat configuration and getting back.

I can't disclose the details of escort package about which aircraft was where as part of the plan.