PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[Oscar]

It's just the memefication of global politics IMO.

Just take a look at Hegseth trying so hard to cosplay as a tough guy but turning the DoD into a glorified frat house.

Also matters if you actually competent and not trying to compensate for impotency or the realization of it.

The loudest voices type of thing

 

[Blain2]

You are going to buy cutting edge J35s, you are going to add further J10CPs which are themselves 4.5+ gen platforms, you are going to produce more JF blk3s which are 4.5 gen, and then on top of that the PFX program. Add the maintenance and weapon package cost of the above. After all said and done, do you really believe we will have spare dosh available for Blk-70s? Mind you, a platform, all of F16s, which we cannot customised according to our own needs and more importantly, inhouse weapons systems? And at what cost in literal terms?

F16s have been great servant to Pakistan, they still have utility as third tier line of defence , well behind the spearhead of j35/J10/JFblk3 , and of course can slap the rag tags in east at leisure, but in greater scheme of things, the bigger picture, I just dont see us increasing their numbers with newer models or even weapons packages. You are not going to slap IAF into submission with F16s, that will be done by the spearhead I mentioned.

You points are valid. Adding some more for a slightly different PoV that also should not be lost.

The force structure is what it is. F-16s are fully part of it. Pakistan may decide the cost-benefit analysis of the F-16 program, if being allowed to upgrade, is as such that it is worth foregoing standing up further sqns of J-10 or JF-17. We heard from the DCAS that our plans currently include buying more J-10s/JF-17s and of course the J-35. However, that is because the conversations on F-16s have not gone beyond sustainment yet. If Americans relent and offer the blk-70 package to Pakistan, air staff may revisit its plans.

Second, we don't need to customize if Pakistan gets the right mix of avionics and weapons just like we did in 2005.

Indians are constantly worried about the potential of Pakistani F-16 fleet (in addition to J-10s) because it is a leagues better multi-role platform than anything they have in their inventory aside from the Rafale. As Pakistan fields a potent offensive air/escort capability with the long-stick being delivered by J-35s/J-10s in the future, the F-16s can deliver devastating impact with precision attack and ground interdiction with massive tonnage under the protection of the long-stick (this assumes Pakistan does not get the latest version of AIM-120/260 so F-16s cannot fend for themselves against the threat of Meteor). This potential of firepower that F-16s can deliver is not lost on our air staff.

 

[rafale]

You are jumping to conclusions. Pakistan will squeeze one more upgrade for the fleet inshallah which will keep the Viper relevant till 2040+ timeframe.

In the MR capacity, F-16s are a huge value-add. No other platform can carry as much ordnance and deliver it with as much precision as the F-16s (specially the blk-52s and others that have been upgraded to Blk-52 specification ~ together these number close to 55 so this is 3 squadrons worth of capability which is huge and should be invested in and maintained.)

if upgraded to Blk-70 standard, F-16s would be the platform of choice after the stealth J-35s. Lot of "ifs" here but anything is possible.

I agree with your statement and it would be extremely sad to see F-16s being relegated to mere second tier roles.......i think Pakistan is waiting for the right moment with US and go ahead with V kits upgrades.

Problem is, V kits upgrades are costing money and time. PAF will want AIM120Ds approved as well otherwise its a dud. If money is spent here, then obviously they need to plan the remaining future spending affecting J-10CE procurement,

I think PAF is waiting for:
1-Pakistan US relations to show the green light for F-16s upgrades
2-Evaluating Indian response to make a more informed decision. PAF is not really in a hurry because frankly, IAF is already dead in Air to Air against PAF.

Interesting situation I must say....

 

[Aziqbal]

More J10CP is music to my ears

It’s a bottle proven fighter jet

 

[Ak01]

PAF will want AIM120Ds approved

Make of this what you will

 

[Blain2]

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Make of this what you will

Thanks for surfacing this. I highlighted this point months ago on these very boards when this news first came out. Pakistan will not go for any modernization if the long stick is not improved. The groundwork is being done to make that happen inshallah.

 

[Toxic]

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Any F-16 deal realistically has to happen before Trump is out of office.

 

[Raja Porus]

F-16s can deliver devastating impact with precision attack and ground interdiction with massive tonnage under the protection of the long-stick

What ordnance will it use?

 

[Ak01]

What ordnance will it use?

same stuff as JF-17's, JDAM's, GBU's, etc. JF-17s fancier options are in limited numbers anyway. Also, F-16's have a seriously unmatched ISR capability via the DB-110. Its something overlooked often. Nothing in the PAF's inventory is comparable in terms of sensor to the DB-110.

 

[Raja Porus]

same stuff as JF-17's, JDAM's, GBU's, etc. JF-17s fancier options are in limited numbers anyway. Also, F-16's have a seriously unmatched ISR capability via the DB-110. Its something overlooked often. Nothing in the PAF's inventory is comparable in terms of sensor to the DB-110.

Risky considering their range?

 

[Ak01]

Risky considering their range?

Same goes for JF-17, we have 60 odd CM400's in inventory, and maybe a handful of taimoors. Its why the PAF has placed such a heavy emphasis on REKs and Variants

 

[kimjongun]

same stuff as JF-17's, JDAM's, GBU's, etc. JF-17s fancier options are in limited numbers anyway. Also, F-16's have a seriously unmatched ISR capability via the DB-110. Its something overlooked often. Nothing in the PAF's inventory is comparable in terms of sensor to the DB-110.

Did nothing Chinese came with the J10Cs? Also apart from pl15s does the J10s have A2G bombs or kits??

 

[Toxic]

Same goes for JF-17, we have 60 odd CM400's in inventory, and maybe a handful of taimoors. Its why the PAF has placed such a heavy emphasis on REKs and Variants

Same goes for JF-17, we have 60 odd CM400's in inventory, and maybe a handful of taimoors. Its why the PAF has placed such a heavy emphasis on REKs and Variants

C-802s too, they used to be seen pre CM-400AKGs, if we able to get JDAM LRs for the F-16s that would be pretty good

 

[Ak01]

Did nothing Chinese came with the J10Cs? Also apart from pl15s does the J10s have A2G bombs or kits??

nothing new or groundbreaking shown.

 

[Toxic]

Did nothing Chinese came with the J10Cs? Also apart from pl15s does the J10s have A2G bombs or kits??

It can use all the Same kits and PGMs the JF-17 can.