PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Did I say become colonist and imperialist like the evil UK?

We should try to become as strong as possible and serve Muslim interests.

Do you know that what's other Muslim countries did to us? Most of Muslim countries fall in love with India and Israel

We are not want to become police man of Muslim world, we have lots demostic/internal problems to solve first

 

[Michael]

I fully understand the eagerness of our Pakistani friends to get J-35 fighters as soon as possible. But this is a fighter jet, not a toy. It needs to be treated with great scientific rigor.

About SAC production base.

------ official news .​

SAC moved as a whole to a new facility. As SAC is a very large organization, this work will continue for many years. The first phase of this relocation program is expected to be completed by the end of this year (2025). Trial production is expected to start early next year (2026).​

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------ unofficial news.​

The first phase of the project will mainly consist of the J-35 production plant and other related facilities. According to the analysis of Chinese social media about industrial manufacturing experts, the J-35 makes extensive use of 3D printing to manufacture parts. Comparing this kind of production method with the traditional one: the number of parts is reduced by about 50%, the production cost will be greatly reduced, and the production cycle will be shortened significantly. However, the capital investment in this kind of factory is very huge.​

A small number of J-35s can be manufactured on an experimental basis in SAC's old (current) factory.These J-35s are mainly used for trials, testing and training; they are not the actual delivery version.​

About the development progress of the J-35.

The J-35A was officially unveiled during the 2024 Zhuhai Airshow.​

If we look closely at the photos, we will find some details. These J-35A are not installed with electronic equipment for combat use. The windows of all combat-use electronic equipment are reserved and closed. ------ Those who are interested in this can compare the photos of J-35A and J-20.​

It shows. Strictly speaking, the J-35A of this period is just an airplane and cannot be considered a 5th Gen fighter yet. It still has a lot of testing to do.​

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As of now, there is no news of the J-35A officially appearing at an airbase.​

Special Notes:​

Airports currently visited by the J-35A (excluding the FC-31 phase).​

SAC Airport. This is the production test flight airport for SAC.​

During the Zhuhai Airshow, the J-35A is parked at Foshan Airport (military-civilian airport). It rested and refueled at Wuhu Airport (Air Force Base) halfway through its trip from SAC Airport to Foshan Airport.​

These are not considered official access to the air force base.​

This is what has been checked and does not represent the real situation.​

If anyone is interested, keep an eye out for satellite photos of the following airports this year.

J-35 Air Force version​

Air Force Bases: Dingxin Base, Cangzhou Base​

J-35 Navy Version​

PLA Navy Naval Aircraft Test and Training Base (Xingcheng, Liaoning)​

Test Bases​

Chinese Flight Test Establishment (Yanliang, Shaanxi)​

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@Muji.Iqbal
Please do not address politics, religion, nuclear weapons, intercontinental missiles, and other unrelated topics in this thread.
There are already too many threads polluted on PDF, let's stay focused in this thread.

 

[Hussain]

Pakistan should also test an ICBM capable of reaching London or Moscow (former USSR in Afghanistan war), our old enemies that we fought wars against.

Please see range of Shaheen3.

Fascists cant digest 3000km range and you want LR ICBM's?

Instead of that our focus should be on increasing our live monitoring satellite capabilities, MiRv's and LR-SAM.

 

[TallGuy]

@Michael
if J-35/J-35A so far away from service, what are PAF pilots doing in PRC? what are they training on?

Or you believe the whole news PAF pilots training in PRC and J-35A to be inducted in end of 2025 are incorrect?

actual news is PAF pilots training on J-10CE and we shall get remaining 16 J10CE this year? is correct?

 

[Michael]

if J-35/J-35A so far away from service, what are PAF pilots doing in PRC? what are they training on?
Or you believe the whole news PAF pilots training in PRC and J-35A to be inducted in end of 2025 are incorrect?

Up to now, we have not seen any official news of “PAF pilots receiving J-35 training in China”, nor any official news of “PAF buying J-35”.

actual news is PAF pilots training on J-10CE and we shall get remaining 16 J10CE this year? is correct?

Current news simply indicates that “PAF has purchased 20 J-10CEs”.
As for the rumored “PAF has purchased 16 additional J-10CEs”, there is no official information to prove whether it is true or not.

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Usually, if similar news is in wide circulation, the spokespersons of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of National Defense will make relevant clarifications, and they will certify the authenticity of the news. For example, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has just confirmed the fake news about Egypt's purchase of J-10CE.

However, there is no response from the relevant Chinese agencies regarding the situation in Pakistan at the moment.

So, we can't judge the truth or falsehood.

 

[Oscar]

@Michael
if J-35/J-35A so far away from service, what are PAF pilots doing in PRC? what are they training on?

Or you believe the whole news PAF pilots training in PRC and J-35A to be inducted in end of 2025 are incorrect?

actual news is PAF pilots training on J-10CE and we shall get remaining 16 J10CE this year? is correct?

There is a constant PAF liason presence in Chengdu which should not be confused with additional pilots for training or otherwise.

Finally, if the PAF chief has announced the J-35 formally it makes sense that there will be a liason presence in SAC but that does indicate any training started or otherwise.

 

[Michael]

There is a constant PAF liason presence in Chengdu which should not be confused with additional pilots for training or otherwise.

There have always been Pakistanis working inside the CAC. They may be from PAF or PAC. as to what they are doing in CAC, we will not know the answer.
It is common to see Pakistanis in the military-industrial cities of China. There used to be a couple of Pakistanis living upstairs in my house. Although they all wore civilian clothes, they were obviously military. ------ Six months later, they left.

Finally, if the PAF chief has announced the J-35 formally it makes sense that there will be a liason presence in SAC but that does indicate any training started or otherwise.

I'm not questioning the authenticity of the message. I'm saying that so far, there is no official word.

 

[Oscar]

There have always been Pakistanis working inside the CAC. They may be from PAF or PAC. as to what they are doing in CAC, we will not know the answer.
It is common to see Pakistanis in the military-industrial cities of China. There used to be a couple of Pakistanis living upstairs in my house. Although they all wore civilian clothes, they were obviously military. ------ Six months later, they left.

I'm not questioning the authenticity of the message. I'm saying that so far, there is no official word.

Thank you for making my point for the wider audience. Pakistanis will be in China at various military complexes. They could be pilots or not pilots or pilots in administration roles. That is not any definitive statement to make for anyone to say whether they are there for training on the J-35 or not.

Pilots(and engineers) from all F-35 partner countries were in the US at Lockheed Martin facilities and offices even before AF-01 flew. That was no an indicator of any full fledged training underway but project familiarity and concept of operations building.

 

[Hussain]

@Michael
if J-35/J-35A so far away from service, what are PAF pilots doing in PRC? what are they training on?

Maybe they are in the other China - Taiwan training on FCK1 ?

 

[OakTree23]

Please see range of Shaheen3.

Fascists cant digest 3000km range and you want LR ICBM's?

Instead of that our focus should be on increasing our live monitoring satellite capabilities, MiRv's and LR-SAM.

He’s not theoretically wrong. Expand the coverage and they will have sleepless nights. This isn’t hard. If you can’t hit their homelands but they can hit yours at will, then you’ve already lost

 

[Hussain]

He’s not theoretically wrong. Expand the coverage and they will have sleepless nights. This isn’t hard. If you can’t hit their homelands but they can hit yours at will, then you’ve already lost

Please allow me to disagree, at this point in time, there is no need to create more issues.

More learned members who are scientifically more grounded, will testify, that with our current capabilities, an ICBM is a no brainier.

Conducting a test, would only send a message.
How that message is perceived, is any ones guess, especially in light of all the non-fiscal details IMF is interested in, as we speak....

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Please see range of Shaheen3.

Fascists cant digest 3000km range and you want LR ICBM's?

Instead of that our focus should be on increasing our live monitoring satellite capabilities, MiRv's and LR-SAM.

I think Pakistan should have grand plans of greatness. However we should only test an ICBM once our economy can support it. Same with 5th Generation fighters or twin engine multirole aircraft.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Do you know that what's other Muslim countries did to us? Most of Muslim countries fall in love with India and Israel

We are not want to become police man of Muslim world, we have lots demostic/internal problems to solve first

I did not say become the policeman of the Muslim World.

I am just saying lets make Pakistan as strong as possible.

We should get 5th generation fighters and ICBMS once our economy allows it.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I did not say become the policeman of the Muslim World.

I am just saying lets make Pakistan as strong as possible.

We should get 5th generation fighters and ICBMS once our economy allows it.

Being strong doesn't means to purchase defense equipment unnecessary and test the weapon that we don't need

Strong means to have good economy/best education system/ exporst much higher than imports /corruption free political systems/justice is equal to all/promote patriotic values etc etc

Currently we don't have single of these qualities, that's what strong nation should have not to buy unnecessary defense purchases and test the weapons that will have no intended use

 

[TallGuy]

Up to now, we have not seen any official news of “PAF pilots receiving J-35 training in China”, nor any official news of “PAF buying J-35”.


Current news simply indicates that “PAF has purchased 20 J-10CEs”.
As for the rumored “PAF has purchased 16 additional J-10CEs”, there is no official information to prove whether it is true or not.

=================================

Usually, if similar news is in wide circulation, the spokespersons of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of National Defense will make relevant clarifications, and they will certify the authenticity of the news. For example, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has just confirmed the fake news about Egypt's purchase of J-10CE.

However, there is no response from the relevant Chinese agencies regarding the situation in Pakistan at the moment.

So, we can't judge the truth or falsehood.

sir i am thinking out loud so please bare with me

Sir, if you are to train new pilots in 5th Gen aircraft, you require first of 5th Gen aircraft to train upon, since there is no J-35/35A other then prototypes. then if PAF pilots are training then they must be training in ___________??? fill in the blank! which is readily available in service is it logical - since i heard the gap between 4 and 4.5 gen aircraft and 5th gen aircraft is so much that pilots need to unlearn old and relearn new way of flying and fighting 5th gen aircraft.

so we are down to single question! either PAF pilots are training or not training for 5th Gen aircraft in PRC.

if we get this - we understand what actually we are buying./which aircraft is bought.