PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Pakistanithinktank]

Everyone who got excited on GOP tweet of KJ500, HQ19 and J-35s. Well I have to tell that take it with truckload of salt.

First let's see the credibility of GOP twitter handles. The ones who operates these twitter handles are the ones who operated their own political party twitter handles as well. We know their credibility & competence. We have seen the jingoism. Those guys have even used a game's screenshot during the indo-pak conflict.

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Now, that tweet for KJ500, HQ19 & J-35 was total BS. That's why it got deleted next day. I know exactly where these three things come from. A few day earlier to that tweet an indian analyst Praveen Sawnhey (of whom Pakistanis are fan of, because he is critic of indian military) said that in his "analysis" Pakistan will aquire KJ500, HQ19 and J35s in future. So whoever political people were handling social media accounts of Govt took exactly those to flare up Pakistanis emotions and put in the tweet and that got deleted next day.

Now let's see these things one by one.

1- KJ500. Not going to happen, As PAF is solely committed to Saab platform. even the current chinese AEWCs were retired in favor of more Saab platforms. PAF operating nearly 10 of Saab's AEW&C. There's absolutely no shortage of these given Pak's airspace.

2- HQ 19. Its not even for export as far as I know. Secondly, Pakistan do not need a ballistic missile defense at the moment. Our highest priority is point defense systems for important / strategic locations like airbases. For this we need HQ-10s or HQ-17s or western counterparts. Not super expensive HQ-19 (which isn't even for export atm)

3- J-35s. In this case, the surprise was already removed when CAS Siddhu announced it about a year or two ago. He was referring to PAF's future planning. We need to understand, we only have 20 J-10CE at the moment for which the installments have to be paid till 2029 (according to some unverified document, but neverthess we know our economic situation and its obvious these equipments are very expensive) . So let's be realistic, there isn't a lot of billions of dollars laying around and there isn't any 5th gen fighters within India right now. What I see is another batch of J-10C maybe in 1-3 yrs and then probably a batch of J-35s later this decade.

Alright folks it’s time to separate fact from fiction, because YouTube rumor mills are in overdrive again.

Let’s be clear, Pakistan isn’t scrambling to buy jets overnight. These clickbait claims like “J-35 arriving in August!” or “Confirmed delivery in December!” are just noise. When there’s real news, it’ll come from official sources, and not from some self-appointed aviation guru online.

As for the J-10C, yes, all are on track. No panic needed. They’re arriving on schedule, and the rest of the defense acquisitions will roll out when strategic conditions are right.

Meanwhile, global fighter jet dynamics are shifting, Iran’s eyeing J-10s, Turkey will buy Eurofighters, and the game is evolving. Pakistan has a plan tailored to its needs, budget, and regional calculus.

So instead of chasing rumors, let’s trust the process and stay focused.

Another YouTube channel spreading fake news that Chinese are working on upgraded stealthier version of J-10. It’s crazy that some of Pakistani mainstream TV channels take these fake news seriously and create shows based on that.

 

[rafale]

The JF-17 is an aircraft that uses conventional aluminum alloys, not composites. It will not have a long airframe life. Without mid-cycle upgrades, the early JF-17s should be retired one by one within 10 years. If PAF still wants to maintain the current number of squadrons, then the JF-17 capacity will be tight, after all there are export orders to be processed. I now understand why PAF needs to buy more J-10Cs.

Hi,,

whats the latest news on more J10CEs for PAF?

 

[rafale]

MOD is the source of any or all formal disclosures. Nothing gets published there for the reasons I described earlier. I am not talking about chatter, informal disclosures becoming newspaper articles. As a practice, Pakistan is secretive for good logical reasons. We have a neighbor that has a bigger budget and more freedom to acquire capabilities. For Pakistan, it makes more sense when capabilities are kept under wraps officially for as long as possible.
Funny enough, most people wait for national day parades to see what new platforms etc. have been added.

actually our neighbor doesn't have that much freedom.........its just their deep pockets that help them procure from countries that are desperate for their cash....example is France with their Rafales and Russia because both need money to sustain their industry.

Eurofighter consortium wasn't that desperate and hence offered no incentives to India to purchase. Neither could India do anything w.r.t to SAAB Erieyes continued delivery to Pakistan even though both the Swedes and Indians knew what Pakistanis were up to.

Now, clearly with regards to PL15, they have been outmatched. India bet on a bankrupt and corrupt defense country like Russia, Pakistan bet on China. China is already years ahead of Russia and hence anything the west offers, Pakistan can get from China at a cheaper rates.

Just look at the 5th gen.......India really has no choice other than Su57 which isn't really a stealth aircraft as much as Indians would like to hype it up......and there is no guarantee that F-35s will be offered to India because for Lockheed the numbers would be too small and strings too tight for India. So India really is in a catch 22 situation.

meanwhile pakistan if not today, can get J-35s.......next year, or year after that........and it will definitely be before India gets one.

It is good Pakistan keeps some things under wrap. But so much ignorance, stupidity and outright incompetence makes sure that Indians will continue to blunder. Literally just before the May 7th skirmish, PAF released a video showing J-10s armed to teeth with PL15...and Indians kept believing the hype that Pakistani PL15Es are restricted to 145km....so they proceeded to attack Pakistan, only to find out that PL15Es are not restricted to 145Km, infact no one knows how much their actual range is.....so to be safe then ran away 250km from the border. That's intelligence failure of epic proportions.

So while Indians have 4-5 times our budget, the items they buy also cost 2-3 times more than what PAF pays for its assets. So pakistan really doesn't have to match tit for tat in its limited budget.

 

[rafale]

Alright folks it’s time to separate fact from fiction, because YouTube rumor mills are in overdrive again.

Let’s be clear, Pakistan isn’t scrambling to buy jets overnight. These clickbait claims like “J-35 arriving in August!” or “Confirmed delivery in December!” are just noise. When there’s real news, it’ll come from official sources, and not from some self-appointed aviation guru online.

As for the J-10C, yes, all are on track. No panic needed. They’re arriving on schedule, and the rest of the defense acquisitions will roll out when strategic conditions are right.

Meanwhile, global fighter jet dynamics are shifting, Iran’s eyeing J-10s, Turkey will buy Eurofighters, and the game is evolving. Pakistan has a plan tailored to its needs, budget, and regional calculus.

So instead of chasing rumors, let’s trust the process and stay focused.

Another rumor that Chinese are working on upgraded stealthier version of J-10.

Bus kerdo bhai...upgraded J-10? French will die of heart attack......

 

[Michael]

I want Pakistan China relation at US-UK or US-Israel level

Please don't make such comparisons.

Comparing all the international relations between China and other countries, the relationship between China and Pakistan is indeed the best. However, it is still at the level of international relations. In China's current political and cultural ecology, the level of international relations is not high. China's priority is still China's internal affairs rather than international affairs. This is completely different from the national policy of the United States.

The relationship between China and Pakistan is a very special international relationship. We should not compare it with the relationship between US-UK or US-Israel. At least, China will never allow Pakistan to actively attack or invade other countries.

Yea there a couple of self-appointed expert Chinese members, like Michael for example, constantly claiming that J31/J35s were different planes. Even when makers of these planes decided that it was too confusing and decided to name this plane as J-35 basically saying that there was NO Difference between these two, these Chinese members shamelessly still claimed that these were different planes.

Before you attack/criticize someone, please prepare relevant arguments. At the very least, you should quote the other person's original point and refute it point by point. Your pointless attack will only make you look like an idiot.

1. FC-31/J-31/J-35/J-35A are a series of fighter jets. They have different subdivision codes in different periods and versions. I have explained this issue repeatedly on PDF. These opinions are from official agencies, not my own opinions. If you have any opinions, you can submit official evidence to the contrary. "J-31" is a transitional code that Chinese official agencies do not currently use. The codes they currently use are "FC-31, J-35, J-35A". ------ I mean official agencies from China, not Pakistan.

2. I am just an ordinary military fan, not a professional. Military knowledge is just one of my hobbies. In addition to PDF, I do not speak on any other social media or forums. I am not a self-media player. My "VIP member" status on PDF was added to me by the administrator, not by me. I am not some China expert.

3. It is clear within the Chinese military industry system that only J-35 fighters using WS-19 engines can be officially called J-35A. But SAC does have several J-35As using WS-21 engines. These fighters are only for experimentation, testing, and training purposes. In the future, they may be converted into FC-31 (foreign trade version) or as show prototypes. ------ The PLAAF's official purchase order is only for the J-35A (WS-19).

4. Within the AECC, the export of WS-19 engines to other countries (especially Pakistan) is currently prohibited. I know the reason, but I cannot explain it in detail, let alone publish the evidence on PDF. If CATIC insists on exporting WS-19 engines to Pakistan, AECC will attach many restrictive terms.

From these messages, the version obtained by PAF will adopt the WS-21 engine (FC-31/J-35) instead of "J-35A (WS-19)". As for the internal configuration of the PAF version of the fighter, it depends entirely on PAF's own choice.

Do you still regard the PAF version of FC-31/J-35 as the same fighter as the PLAAF's J-35A? ------ It doesn't matter.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Michael for example, constantly claiming that J31/J35s were different planes.

First 2 prototype called J-31 when no one interested to buy J-31, even not PLAN/PLAAF, after much modified prototype/mock-up of 3rd prototype in previous zuhai airshow with a interest shown by PLAN SAC changed its name to J35, in fact 3rd prototype was not a modified J-31 but a totally new jet rebranded as a J35

 

[Deino]

First 2 prototype called J-31 when no one interested to buy J-31, even not PLAN/PLAAF, after much modified prototype/mock-up of 3rd prototype in previous zuhai airshow with a interest shown by PLAN SAC changed its name to J35, in fact 3rd prototype was not a modified J-31 but a totally new jet rebranded as a J35

NO, they were called FC-31 … there is NO true real J-31. we‘ve seen this designation so far only on Models.

 

[Michael]

First 2 prototype called J-31 when no one interested to buy J-31, even not PLAN/PLAAF, after much modified prototype/mock-up of 3rd prototype in previous zuhai airshow with a interest shown by PLAN SAC changed its name to J35, in fact 3rd prototype was not a modified J-31 but a totally new jet rebranded as a J35

This is a wrong statement!

On October 31, 2012, the FC-31 made its first successful flight.
At the 2014 Zhuhai Air Show, AVIC displayed the fighter under the name "FC-31". However, the report on the PLA's official website (www.81.cn) used the name "歼-31(J-31)". This is the first time that the code "歼-31(J-31)" has appeared in official media. It means that the PLA has officially been involved in the project. ------ In China, only the PLA has the authority to name and use the "歼-x(J-x)" code. So far, J-36/J-50 are illegal codes. These are names given to them by Chinese military fans, not official codes.

However, when the PLA got involved in the project, they were not satisfied with the "J-31" at the time. SAC spent several years modifying and adjusting the fighter, and many major changes took place. For example, the aerodynamic shape, the canopy, and even the engine were completely replaced. In the end, when the PLA officially purchased it, it abandoned the "J-31" code and used the "J-35" code instead.

FC-31 is the code for the export version of this fighter. At a recent air show, the fighter model displayed by CATIC was already the latest version, but it still used the code "FC-31".

 

[ahtan_china]

In Chinese self-media, there are rumors that there will be a four-party meeting, the J-35 production line will allocate some production capacity, and Egypt and Algeria will jump the queue to buy J-35.

 

[ety]

In Chinese self-media, there are rumors that there will be a four-party meeting, the J-35 production line will allocate some production capacity, and Egypt and Algeria will jump the queue to buy J-35.

Didn't Algeria buy Russian SU-57 already as reported not long ago ?

 

[Deino]

In Chinese self-media, there are rumors that there will be a four-party meeting, the J-35 production line will allocate some production capacity, and Egypt and Algeria will jump the queue to buy J-35.

Care to post a link to this media rumours?

IMO however it is once again just a rumour pushed by someone who wants to show off!

Well I have been following Deino faily closely on this Forum. And one thing I have learnt which is 100% true is that whatever Deino says, EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF IT HAPPENS.

So I am happy to say that J-35s will be arriving soon just because Deino said they are NOT arriving soon.

Sorry for the late reply but I cannot let this post stand without a comment:

Yes for sure, I'm always wrong, that's exactly the reason why after my denial the PAF was able to secretly purchase-16, J-20 and also the latest batch of J-15T for the PN together with the Liaoning, all this since I denied this nonsense and as you claimed, therefore alone it became true!

The funny part on this is, how often was I wrong with my predictions vs. how often I was correct? Or asked in return: How often became any of these fan-boy-claims true that were denied by me?

 

[Deino]

Good review from the first buyer. Guess who he is?
They are already training in China?
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Is there some sort of mental illness around or is the will & desire for the J-35A actually so great that one willingly accepts every report without question? ... or one simply browses the last three (or even thirty) pages and checks what's confirmed and what isn't, and the latest status is that this is still a J-10, the J-35 isn't even mentioned, and there's an official denial:

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What more facts do you actually want??? But yes for sure, since a German is against some fan-boys claims since months even the words of the Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Asif must be wrong!

Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif Admits China Shared Intel On Indian Air Defence, Missile; Here's Why (VIDEO)

Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has dismissed reports of receiving Chinese J-35A fighter jets by 2026 and termed the reports as media speculation.

www.freepressjournal.in

By the way, @maverick, @Zarvan ... and some others; I'm waiting for your apology!
Not that I expect my dear old "friend" MK to admit he was wrong and even apologise!

 

[Fasbre2]

In Chinese self-media, there are rumors that there will be a four-party meeting, the J-35 production line will allocate some production capacity, and Egypt and Algeria will jump the queue to buy J-35.

Egypt would be a security risk… mossad have penetrated them more than Iran..

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I'm asking to @maverick @Zarvan @Maarkhoor and others who are insisted that PAF will get J35 before PLAN/PLAAF

NAME ONE FIGHTER JET THAT MANUFACTURER DEVELOPING FOR ITS AIRFORCE AND NAVY BUT EXPORTED IT BEFORE INDUCTION OF ITS AIRFORCE AND NAVY

NAME THE ONE COUNTY @maverick @Zarvan @Maarkhoor

 

[ahtan_china]

Is there some sort of mental illness around or is the will & desire for the J-35A actually so great that one willingly accepts every report without question? ... or one simply browses the last three (or even thirty) pages and checks what's confirmed and what isn't, and the latest status is that this is still a J-10, the J-35 isn't even mentioned, and there's an official denial:

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What more facts do you actually want??? But yes for sure, since a German is against some fan-boys claims since months even the words of the Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Asif must be wrong!

Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif Admits China Shared Intel On Indian Air Defence, Missile; Here's Why (VIDEO)

Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has dismissed reports of receiving Chinese J-35A fighter jets by 2026 and termed the reports as media speculation.

www.freepressjournal.in

By the way, @maverick, @Zarvan ... and some others; I'm waiting for your apology!
Not that I expect my dear old "friend" MK to admit he was wrong and even apologise!

Care to post a link to this media rumours?

IMO however it is once again just a rumour pushed by someone who wants to show off!




Sorry for the late reply but I cannot let this post stand without a comment:

Yes for sure, I'm always wrong, that's exactly the reason why after my denial the PAF was able to secretly purchase-16, J-20 and also the latest batch of J-15T for the PN together with the Liaoning, all this since I denied this nonsense and as you claimed, therefore alone it became true!

The funny part on this is, how often was I wrong with my predictions vs. how often I was correct? Or asked in return: How often became any of these fan-boy-claims true that were denied by me?

From Tiktok Chinese version. Previously, China wanted to support Iran, but failed. Now China wants to try supporting Egypt.