PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Kattarpajit]

Also you do not need over 100 J-35AE to equal the entire IAF's fighter force. Only a few dozen J-35AE can negate IAF provided you manage to keep those J-35AE supplied and protected which is impossible in a war. India does not lack drones, missiles and artillery to basically destroy most Pakistani airbases.

This makes heavy investment into PAF assets a questionable strategy since most airfields and supply chains would be attacked and kept out of action by India in any drawn out war.

The only way for Pakistan to present fool proof deterrence is in the ability to hit India equally hard. For that Pakistan would need tens of thousands of long range drones. This is surprisingly the only area China has not visibly assisted Pakistan in and I suspect it is because China does not want to piss India off too much unnecessarily since China has such a crazy trade surplus against India.

Pakistan Rocket Force is your answer...and when all this Iran war is said and done, I'm sure Iranians won't mind sharing Shahed designs with their brotherly neighbor who had their back in the war for the most part

 

[Kattarpajit]

This is foolish.

You really think Pakistan would come out unscathed?

If Pakistan hits their nuclear facilities, they'll hit Pakistan's nuclear facilities.

It would be all out war, and you cannot win a war with just air power, Iran just showed you that.

Also, Pakistan would need at least 150 to 200 J-35s to tackle India's entire fleet of fighters at a bare minimum, and thats going to take years to achieve. In the mean time, India would leverage its much larger fleet, and using attrition and diversion tactics, using some fighters as sacrifices, while they launch actual attacks elsewhere.

Fanboyism and reality don't mix.

While I agree with your point regarding pre emptive strikes, it's a pandoras box that should not be opened...I certainly don't think that we need 150-200 J 35s to annihilate India's airforce, Our F16, Jf17 and Mirage numbers can easily match their Su30, Mig 29 and Mirage Inventory as of right now, Just add 100 more Jf17 Block 3s and we'll far surpass their aging fleet in terms of capability...Our J10s can easily handle their Rafales...The rest of their fleet is sh*t consisting of jaguars and Mig21s, they are not even flyable...Our J35s are a surplus and not to mention India currently has 0 options in terms of stealth aircraft, US won't sell them F35s without terms and conditions and Su47 isn't even fully stealth, even if they sign the deals now it'll take years, their 100+ rafale deal will take atleast a decade for completion, by that time 4.5 gen will mostly be obsolete and we'll have 100+ J35s....So India has been checkmated when It comes to airpower...So coming back to my point we don't need 150-200 J35s to dominate India for the next 5-6 years, 40 is more than enough, but after 2030 we certainly need to boost those numbers to 100+ which I have no doubt Pakistan airforce will be doing

 

[niubi]

Pakistan Rocket Force is your answer

Far too expensive to depend solely on short and medium range ballistic missiles to attack India in any drawn out conflict.

Even Iran couldn't afford to solely depend on missiles and they've been stockpiling SRBM and MRBM for over a decade.

Pakistan would need at least thousands of suicide drones and long range guided artillery whether shells or rockets like PLA's where even 200km range artillery rockets can be guided to hit moving vehicles. Suicide drones are better since they're even cheaper and can be launched from more places than long range artillery.

 

[niubi]

While I agree with your point regarding pre emptive strikes, it's a pandoras box that should not be opened...I certainly don't think that we need 150-200 J 35s to annihilate India's airforce, Our F16, Jf17 and Mirage numbers can easily match their Su30, Mig 29 and Mirage Inventory as of right now, Just add 100 more Jf17 Block 3s and we'll far surpass their aging fleet in terms of capability...Our J10s can easily handle their Rafales...The rest of their fleet is sh*t consisting of jaguars and Mig21s, they are not even flyable...Our J35s are a surplus and not to mention India currently has 0 options in terms of stealth aircraft, US won't sell them F35s without terms and conditions and Su47 isn't even fully stealth, even if they sign the deals now it'll take years, their 100+ rafale deal will take atleast a decade for completion, by that time 4.5 gen will mostly be obsolete and we'll have 100+ J35s....So India has been checkmates when It comes to airpower...So coming back to my point we don't need 150-200 J35s to dominate India for the next 5-6 years, 40 is more than enough, but after 2030 we certainly need to boost those numbers to 100+ which I have no doubt Pakistan airforce will be doing

If Pakistan ever gets 100 or so J-35AE, what's stopping India from sending 1000 suicide drones combined with hundreds of artillery and rocket plus dozens of cruise and ballistic missiles just to target all the J-35AE on the ground and attack their supply and logistic chains?

That would be a waste of resources. Until Pakistan amasses a huge number of layers IAD consisting of HQ-19 for mid course ballistic interception, HQ-9C for THAAD equivalent, HQ-9B for long range anti aircraft, HQ-16B/C for medium range multipurpose, and HQ-22, HQ-20, HQ-17 for various medium range interception and amass all those in significant numbers, it does not stop India from saturation attacks using cheap and plentiful drones. Each of those interceptor missiles is much more expensive than a drone and takes longer to build. The only way to defend effectively is being able to also attack using similarly economical ways.

J-35AE unprotected would be simply wasted. Even if Pakistan diverts lots of existing HQ-9 export systems towards protecting high value airbases, it's still possible for India to saturate defences quite easily. Air defence is always on the back foot no matter who it is, US and Israel defending against Iranian drone attacks, drone attacks will still get through.

I'm saying it makes no sense to spend so much money buying too many J-35AE unless Pakistan can deter India from wide scale escalation where J-35AE chains can be threatened. A dozen or two as force multiplication is more than enough until Pakistan can build up its offensive capability to cheaply and overwhelmingly also attack India with inexpensive drones and long range artillery. China appears to have not cooperated with Pakistan on developing cheap suicide drones for Pakistan Army and long range guided MLRS than can wreck through Indian airbases at ranges up to 300km away from MLRS.

 

[Kattarpajit]

If Pakistan ever gets 100 or so J-35AE, what's stopping India from sending 1000 suicide drones combined with hundreds of artillery and rocket plus dozens of cruise and ballistic missiles just to target all the J-35AE on the ground and attack their supply and logistic chains?

That would be a waste of resources. Until Pakistan amasses a huge number of layers IAD consisting of HQ-19 for mid course ballistic interception, HQ-9C for THAAD equivalent, HQ-9B for long range anti aircraft, HQ-16B/C for medium range multipurpose, and HQ-22, HQ-20, HQ-17 for various medium range interception and amass all those in significant numbers, it does not stop India from saturation attacks using cheap and plentiful drones. Each of those interceptor missiles is much more expensive than a drone and takes longer to build. The only way to defend effectively is being able to also attack using similarly economical ways.

J-35AE unprotected would be simply wasted. Even if Pakistan diverts lots of existing HQ-9 export systems towards protecting high value airbases, it's still possible for India to saturate defences quite easily. Air defence is always on the back foot no matter who it is, US and Israel defending against Iranian drone attacks, drone attacks will still get through.

I'm saying it makes no sense to spend so much money buying too many J-35AE unless Pakistan can deter India from wide scale escalation where J-35AE chains can be threatened. A dozen or two as force multiplication is more than enough until Pakistan can build up its offensive capability to cheaply and overwhelmingly also attack India with inexpensive drones and long range artillery. China appears to have not cooperated with Pakistan on developing cheap suicide drones for Pakistan Army and long range guided MLRS than can wreck through Indian airbases at ranges up to 300km away from MLRS.

We absolutely will get to 100+ J35s in the next decade, do the maths, we got 36 J10s in 2022 and getting 40 J35s this year or most probably first half of next year, that's 76 aircraft in less than 5 years all while being in the worst economic conditions, Only China's production capacity can sustain these deliveries, no other country that India can go to will supply india with 80 aircraft in 5 years....J35s will be in the air the moment first drone is detected and will make whole of Indian soil hell for these launch sites...and acquiring J35s doesn't mean we'll ignore all the other areas, we are making tremendous achievements in loitering munitions

 

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[Dalit]

If Pakistan ever gets 100 or so J-35AE, what's stopping India from sending 1000 suicide drones combined with hundreds of artillery and rocket plus dozens of cruise and ballistic missiles just to target all the J-35AE on the ground and attack their supply and logistic chains?

That would be a waste of resources. Until Pakistan amasses a huge number of layers IAD consisting of HQ-19 for mid course ballistic interception, HQ-9C for THAAD equivalent, HQ-9B for long range anti aircraft, HQ-16B/C for medium range multipurpose, and HQ-22, HQ-20, HQ-17 for various medium range interception and amass all those in significant numbers, it does not stop India from saturation attacks using cheap and plentiful drones. Each of those interceptor missiles is much more expensive than a drone and takes longer to build. The only way to defend effectively is being able to also attack using similarly economical ways.

J-35AE unprotected would be simply wasted. Even if Pakistan diverts lots of existing HQ-9 export systems towards protecting high value airbases, it's still possible for India to saturate defences quite easily. Air defence is always on the back foot no matter who it is, US and Israel defending against Iranian drone attacks, drone attacks will still get through.

I'm saying it makes no sense to spend so much money buying too many J-35AE unless Pakistan can deter India from wide scale escalation where J-35AE chains can be threatened. A dozen or two as force multiplication is more than enough until Pakistan can build up its offensive capability to cheaply and overwhelmingly also attack India with inexpensive drones and long range artillery. China appears to have not cooperated with Pakistan on developing cheap suicide drones for Pakistan Army and long range guided MLRS than can wreck through Indian airbases at ranges up to 300km away from MLRS.

Who says that Pakistan cannot produce inexpensive loitering munitions i.e. "kamikaze" or one-way attack drones? Pakistan has already embraced the Shahed doctrine by building its own family of cheap, swarming, one-way attack drones.

Pakistan doesn't require any assistance for the production of such cheap and low tech drones.

 

[wangdefa]

As an invisible platform, the J-35 emphasizes systematic combat, which means that missiles, radar, data links, AWACS, and satellites are all indispensable. From the current perspective, only Pakistan has a complete data link and integrated system, while other Middle Eastern countries do not have these external equipment supports.

 

[Olympus81]

Slightly off topic, but what about the J10Cs?

Is PAF going to order another 2-3 squadrons?

 

[HH-9A]

The J35AE for export features EOTS, while PLA J35A does not equip the same. This could be an example that some aspects of export J35AE have been improved or reinforced over Ìts domestic counterpart.

 

[Michael]

The J35AE for export features EOTS, while PLA J35A does not equip the same. This could be an example that some aspects of export J35AE have been improved or reinforced over Ìts domestic counterpart.

My friend, this forum is a treasure trove of information. Perhaps you should start by familiarizing yourself with some basic concepts. Only then should you form a judgment.

Whatever you do, never jump to conclusions without fully understanding the situation!

The EOTS is a standard feature on fifth-generation fighter jets. The entire J-35 series is equipped with this system. The distinction lies in the fact that, across the various versions of the J-35, the specific configuration of the EOTS varies.

The EOTS is a component of the combat system. During the prototype testing phase, it may be physically installed or omitted; however, in the version intended for official service, it is a mandatory requirement. This is why you will see J-35s without an actual EOTS installed. However, this position was reserved well in advance.

 

[maverick]

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no delays so far since china decided to fast track J35 program for Pakistan back in mid 2023.

 

[maxpane]

no delays so far since china decided to fast track J35 program for Pakistan back in mid 2023.

i think you were the one who gave the time of dec 2026

 

[lightning f57]

Pakistan is full of mountainous terrain, I wonder whether they thought of making hardened airbases under mountain sites for protection and concealment.

With the width of Pak being quite limited, it lacks strategic depth to protect important assets but mountain fortresses could help. I guess logistics and cost largest hindrance.

 

[MH.Yang]

As an invisible platform, the J-35 emphasizes systematic combat, which means that missiles, radar, data links, AWACS, and satellites are all indispensable. From the current perspective, only Pakistan has a complete data link and integrated system, while other Middle Eastern countries do not have these external equipment supports.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have a military defense agreement, allowing the PAF to deploy defenses in Saudi Arabia.