PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[MH.Yang]

The only way for Pakistan to present fool proof deterrence is in the ability to hit India equally hard. For that Pakistan would need tens of thousands of long range drones. This is surprisingly the only area China has not visibly assisted Pakistan in and I suspect it is because China does not want to piss India off too much unnecessarily since China has such a crazy trade surplus against India.

China has sold models of drones such as CH-3 (transferred production line and technology), CH-4, CH-5, Wing loong2 (transferred production line and technology) to Pakistan. Moreover, China has also transferred drone technology to Pakistan, and Pakistan has used this technology to develop drone models such as the Shapar.

Now Pakistan has become one of the countries exporting drones!

As for India, regardless of what China does, they do not have the capacity to ban Chinese goods.

 

[maverick]

i think you were the one who gave the time of dec 2026

yes and that time was claimed in Jan 2024, the first one here. got a lot of flak from everyone.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I cannot say that this data is incorrect. It is simply that the actual data differs significantly from it.
This is a necessary measure taken for reasons of confidentiality.

These are not official figures from AECC. They are promotional materials compiled by local media, citing data sourced from the internet.
As for the data presented in the paper, it has undergone technical processing and does not represent actual figures.

I agree with your view. Data on Chinese weapons is classified, and the parameters of active equipment are not publicly disclosed.

The data at air shows may also be false. Here is the evidence.

 

[That_Guy]

India will attack you one way or the other, you can bet on that and while they can afford to pick a place and time of their choosing, we can't because we do not have the luxury for the very reasons you mention. India this time will escalate and try to hit or even take out our nuclear installations. After seeing what Israel has done with Iran, they are fully committed to replicate that with Pakistan which is why they are investing so heavily in defensive shields.
So one way or the other war is coming and it's entirely up to Pakistan either to wait and let the enemy have the initiative or take the initiative for once when we get the upper hand even if for a brief moment.

Pakistan is not Iran, and India isn't Israel.

If India attacks Pakisran's nuclear facilities, Pakistan will attack India's nuclear facilities, and there is no way to defend against strikes with 100% interception rate.

The situation between Pakistan and India is no longer what it was before May of last year.

First, all our war was never on the cards. Second, after May, India is going to think twice before launching more attacks.

When a 5th gen comes into Pakistani inventory, India won't be able to even think about launching strikes within Pakistani territory.

What you're talking about is foolish, and unrealistic.

 

[Abid123]

Call me a war monger or not, but IF PAF can get this fast and induct them fully into our fleet, I for one would want PAF to pre-emptively strike major Indian installations, including missile depots, and if I dare say so, hit their nuclear installations as well before they can induct a platform to tackle J-35. Let's take a leaf out of their fatherland and deal with this filth pre-emptively, because rest assured, they will once they have assets to do so. Considering they are a bigger country with more resources and strategic depth, remaining passive or defensive in nature will hurt us in the future.

This is not a video game broski.

 

[That_Guy]

No, Sir we don't need 150-200 J-35s this is too much, the operating/maintenance/logistic costs of any 5th gen jets are 3 to 4 times of any 4th/4.5th gen jets, are we have $$$ to operate/maintain 150-200 5th gen jets with current economic situation of the country, Inn my point of view 40-80 J-35s will be fine along with upcoming PFX/ more J-10C ad more block-3 JF-17, look Sir J-35s will be tip of the spear for Pakistan and Tip of the spear always in lesser numbers compare to workhorse, for example F-15/F-16 combo, Su-27/Mig-29 combo, F-22/F-35 combo

So I think having a 150-200 J-35s will be the burden on PAF/Pakistan in current economic situation of the country

Im not talking about what Pakistan can operate, I'm talking about what Pakistan would need in the scenario of what IceCold suggested...open all out war.

I agree that Pakistan cannot afford to operate more than 40 5th gen, at least until prices come down over the next decade.

In an all out war though, most of your government budget and GDP is being pushed towards procurement and replenishment, so in that case Pakistan would be able to get 150 to 200, 66-75% of which would automatically go out of commission and back into storage after the war ends.

 

[That_Guy]

While I agree with your point regarding pre emptive strikes, it's a pandoras box that should not be opened...I certainly don't think that we need 150-200 J 35s to annihilate India's airforce, Our F16, Jf17 and Mirage numbers can easily match their Su30, Mig 29 and Mirage Inventory as of right now, Just add 100 more Jf17 Block 3s and we'll far surpass their aging fleet in terms of capability...Our J10s can easily handle their Rafales...The rest of their fleet is sh*t consisting of jaguars and Mig21s, they are not even flyable...Our J35s are a surplus and not to mention India currently has 0 options in terms of stealth aircraft, US won't sell them F35s without terms and conditions and Su47 isn't even fully stealth, even if they sign the deals now it'll take years, their 100+ rafale deal will take atleast a decade for completion, by that time 4.5 gen will mostly be obsolete and we'll have 100+ J35s....So India has been checkmated when It comes to airpower...So coming back to my point we don't need 150-200 J35s to dominate India for the next 5-6 years, 40 is more than enough, but after 2030 we certainly need to boost those numbers to 100+ which I have no doubt Pakistan airforce will be doing

India has the raw numbers advantage.

India doesn't need to win the air battles to win the war, they just need to be able to contest and cause damage, which theyre capable of doing just through attrition.

In an ALL OUT WAR, 40 J-35s is not going to cut it.

Let's be honest, despite Pakistan coming out on top in May, India still currently has the more advanced fleet. As the Russia-Ukraine war has shown, with enough time passing, the Indian Air force will learn to deal with Pakistani fighters, and they'll use attrition to learn, something Pakistan cannot afford, but India can.

 

[studsmart]

Pakistan is not Iran, and India isn't Israel.

If India attacks Pakisran's nuclear facilities, Pakistan will attack India's nuclear facilities, and there is no way to defend against strikes with 100% interception rate.

The situation between Pakistan and India is no longer what it was before May of last year.

First, all our war was never on the cards. Second, after May, India is going to think twice before launching more attacks.

When a 5th gen comes into Pakistani inventory, India won't be able to even think about launching strikes within Pakistani territory.

What you're talking about is foolish, and unrealistic.

Of course, however, India and Israel against Pakistan is the scenario Pakistan needs to prepare for. And when Israel is involved, the US will get involved indirectly, even unwillingly. now that is the scenario Pakistan establishment is very worried about.

 

[TAC]

Our political leadership orders PAF to show mercy even when the enemy starts it by killing scores of innocent civilians including women and children. If it was left on PAF's only, they woud have wiped the floor with IAF in 2019 for them to never make the mistake again.

Our political leadership does not realise that by showing the mercy, you only delay the inevitable and let the enemy prepare better for it.

It has nothing to do with showing ‘mercy’ & it has everything to do with fearing the cost is escalation. How many more innocent Pakistanis would have died & what impact on our already fragile economy would have occurred in 2019 and / or 2025 if these conflicts had gone full scale? And for what? The border would still be the same at the end.
Admittedly the fear of escalation would be less pronounced if our economy was stronger which goes some way to explaining the Indian belligerence on this issue but then they are 7 x bigger too.
Pakistan defended itself with tact, bravery and honour & gave a far bigger / stronger adversary a bloody nose while minimising cost as far as possible.

 

[MH.Yang]

India has the raw numbers advantage.

India doesn't need to win the air battles to win the war, they just need to be able to contest and cause damage, which theyre capable of doing just through attrition.

In an ALL OUT WAR, 40 J-35s is not going to cut it.

Let's be honest, despite Pakistan coming out on top in May, India still currently has the more advanced fleet. As the Russia-Ukraine war has shown, with enough time passing, the Indian Air force will learn to deal with Pakistani fighters, and they'll use attrition to learn, something Pakistan cannot afford, but India can.

Pakistan only needs enough pilots.

When the Second India Pakistan War broke out, China directly sent 300 active tanks to Pakistan.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Pakistan only needs enough pilots.

When the Second India Pakistan War broke out, China directly sent 300 active tanks to Pakistan.

we will probably have our own customised variant so that might not be possible atleast not quickly

 

[Ibbi32]

we will probably have our own customised variant so that might not be possible atleast not quickly

In modern platforms even with simple differences like iff, datalink, software there can be a long list of potential problems with rushing through induction. Even assuming the systems and personnel are available for the task installing testing and troubleshooting through these things can take days. Let alone coming to a point where it can be inducted in frontline squadron service

 

[johncliu88]

I agree with your view. Data on Chinese weapons is classified, and the parameters of active equipment are not publicly disclosed.

The data at air shows may also be false. Here is the evidence.
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The datasheet missed print a couple words: worst case.

 

[MH.Yang]

we will probably have our own customised variant so that might not be possible atleast not quickly

The gap in national strength between Pakistan and India is too great to rely on an arms race to solve the problem. The truly correct approach is to improve the universality of military equipment between China and Pakistan.

 

[ThoroughPro]

It has nothing to do with showing ‘mercy’ & it has everything to do with fearing the cost is escalation. How many more innocent Pakistanis would have died & what impact on our already fragile economy would have occurred in 2019 and / or 2025 if these conflicts had gone full scale? And for what? The border would still be the same at the end.
Admittedly the fear of escalation would be less pronounced if our economy was stronger which goes some way to explaining the Indian belligerence on this issue but then they are 7 x bigger too.
Pakistan defended itself with tact, bravery and honour & gave a far bigger / stronger adversary a bloody nose while minimising cost as far as possible.

don't worry, full scale will come, we only delayed it. We would have been better off going at it while we had the upper hand