PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

It's one type of technologies which China has progressed in leaps and bounds in recent years.

Still not par even to the Russian engines they have the experience they are developing jet engines since late 40s but you don't count experience, remember Chinese bot russians developed WS-15 thrust class variable cycle engine for their MFI/MIG 1.44 in late 80s

 

[Michael]

Let us look at what Russia and China have achieved in relation to engines for SU-57 and J-20.

WS-15 for J-20 was certified and has been in mass production since 2023.

The izdeliye 30 for the Su-57 is still not been certified and not in mass production yet.

Chinese jet engine technology is now indeed superior to that of Russia.

As a Chinese, I can't agree with you.

USSR/Russia, United States. Their philosophy of the fighter was two completely different paths, which led to a different idea of the engines they designed and produced. You can't simply evaluate who is better.

China's fighter jets and engines are moving closer to United States on the basis of learning Russia technology. This is the third way.

We can only say who performs better in a certain data of the same class of engines. You can't say who has the better engine, they have a completely different positioning.

It's like, you can't directly say who is better, Zumwalt destroyer or Type 055 destroyer. It can only be said who is better in a certain aspect. Because their positioning is completely different.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

China said that even with the WS-10C that was put in from 2021, the J-20 was able to supercruise.

WS-15 was always targeted to rival F-119 and allow J-20 to supercruise at high Mach-1 speed. China met all design goals and that is why it was certified in 2023 and so put in mass production.

Let's talk about how good izdeliye 30 once it is certified as the engine is still not ready.

Thanks - do you have idea about AL-41F1 specifications?

The details about the Russian supercruise program.

Supercruising Flankers?

Analysis - Supercruise

www.ausairpower.net

Can you provide the details of Chinese engine?

Also just read it about WS 13 engine which developed for jf17 by china a 10 years ago.. yet - why PAF preffer Russian engine for jf17- any idea?

I am feeling unnecessary - being a bad guy... China is doing well.. I appreciate that.. but when start claiming better or something than minds says - where is the evidence or specifications details for the comparison

 

[UKBengali]

Thanks - do you have idea about AL-41F1 specifications?

The details about the Russian supercruise program.

Supercruising Flankers?

Analysis - Supercruise

www.ausairpower.net

Are you aware that the AL-41F is just an upgraded AL-31?

It is the same as WS-10A in J-11B to WS-10C in J-20.

All these engines are 4th generation whereas WS-15 and once the izdeliye 30 is finally certified are 5th generation.

 

[Michael]

Regarding the engine problem of the J20, I have a note in another post, you can take a look. The source of the news is from special channels.

Post in thread 'Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions'

Aug 13, 2024

A note on the J20's use of multiple engines:

1. When the J20 project was established, the engine performance parameters were benchmarked against the F119 engine of F22. In order to speed up the development progress, the development of the airframe and the engine was carried out simultaneously. Therefore, the AL-31FN engine was used in the early stage to complete the development of the entire airframe.

2. While developing WS15, the upgrading and improvement of WS10 has also been carried out. When WS15 reached the expected target and passed the test, the performance of the latest improved...

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[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Anyway - appreciate for developing j10, jf17 j20 and j31, because it's show the capabilities of Chinese aviation to develop the new aircrafts by own but about mostly other aircrafts - platforms are russian technologies but as said - Indigenous manufactured with own requirements and some improvements.

J11 series and J16/J15 are definitely based on flanker series but lot of improvements on them like composite materials in critical areas to reduce RCS/AESA/advanced avionics/better EW,ECM,ECCM then original flanker series and most importantly local engine (WS-10 series of engines)

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Are you aware that the AL-41F is just an upgraded AL-31?

It is the same as WS-10A in J-11B to WS-10C in J-20.

All these engines are 4th generation whereas WS-15 and once the izdeliye 30 is finally certified are 5th generation.

I asked simple way - which technical parameters you are claiming that it's better than Al-41F1

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

J11 series and J16/J15 are definitely based on flanker series but lot of improvements on them like composite materials in critical areas to reduce RCS/AESA/advanced avionics/better EW,ECM,ECCM then original flanker series and most importantly local engine (WS-10 series of engines)

Agreed. Thanks

 

[UKBengali]

I asked simple way - which technical parameters you are claiming that it's better than Al-41F1

Err, the published specs.

If you are trying to claim that Al-41F is in the same class of WS-15, then no point discussing further with you.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I asked simple way - which technical parameters you are claiming that it's better than Al-41F1

WS-10C is same in thrust class of AL41F1 but maybe other parameters like engine life and MTBO (meantime between overhaul) are still not par to AL-41F1 ( there's no official figures are available)

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

WS-10C is same in thrust class of AL41F1 but maybe other parameters like engine life and MTBO (meantime between overhaul) are still not par to AL-41F1 ( there's no official figures are available)

Bro - I don't wanna sound argumental but when people just claim - it's better - than tough to control most of the times without giving the technical details.

Example - if India will develop air defence missiles and immediately claim that better than s400 missiles defence --- would people not question

Aircraft Engines of West considered better than others - it's not because they claim it - it's because feedbacks from the existing customers and their performances experiences - maintenance cost, etc etc.

 

[CombatCorner]

You're are just a jester and clown not looking at facts that J31 will be far from the mass production or PAF will induct only 1 prototype that's is flying currently since late 2023

And you're are credible then me what a laughing stock you're

And sorry @CombatCorner your mental disability has no cure

Oh so you know a few other words than La la land.... maybe I know a few more that I can slap On you but then I will bring myself down to your level . Before calling others names, try to grow your own brain and not be a side kick for others. .

 

[studsmart]

WS10B/C is a good engine on par with its Western equivalent. It took china 25 years to get to WS10B/C. It will take another decade or so to build the reputation, but for now, it is delivering what it is intended for. Besides, no European engine manufacturer produces engines of this class anyway.

 

[lightning f57]

There are allot of rumours, missreporting maybe best to wait until something concrete is out and to be clear about speculation/personal theories. Its hard otherwise to navigate this thread to understand whats reality and whats fake.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Oh so you know a few other words than La la land.... maybe I know a few more that I can slap On you but then I will bring myself down to your level . Before calling others names, try to grow your own brain and not be a side kick for others. .

Then show us where are the other prototypes of J-31, are they made with DARK MATERIAL to invisible to all ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATIONS AND EVEN WITH NAKED EYE LOL

YOU'RE NOT LOGICAL AND SANE MAN @CombatCorner

Answer my above question @CombatCorner