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Would you care to elaborate on the deals ....

, what financial institutions were involved .... how much loan was approved and what were terms and conditions

Often those details are kept quiet. What happens in many deals, and in Pakistani deals as well is that a seller country often gurantees Pak with a national bank who then go on to give a loan for a specific transaction.

One very famous case was BCCI bank in the past that was going to help finance Mirage 2000 purchases, you can look it up

Also CBC bank of China
 
Often those details are kept quiet. What happens in many deals, and in Pakistani deals as well is that a seller country often gurantees Pak with a national bank who then go on to give a loan for a specific transaction.

One very famous case was BCCI bank in the past that was going to help finance Mirage 2000 purchases, you can look it up

Also CBC bank of China
You are groping in the dark.
 
Relax , don't make it an existential debate.

No one is doing that. You clearly stated

"No Pakistan doesn't borrow for defence purchases from financial institutions."

You were wrong. Just have the grace and humility to accept that rather then making it about some weird "existential debate" that seems to exist only in your mind.
 
No one is doing that. You clearly stated

"No Pakistan doesn't borrow for defence purchases from financial institutions."

You were wrong. Just have the grace and humility to accept that rather then making it about some weird "existential debate" that seems to exist only in your mind.
What do you want me to do ? Get certified statements from the banks that they never gave loan to Pakistan for defence procurement ? .... you are the one who is claiming we borrowed money from banks for defence purchases , it should be easy for you to prove it...the onus is on you not me.
 
What do you want me to do ? Get certified statements from the banks that they never gave loan to Pakistan for defence procurement ? .... you are the one who is claiming we borrowed money from banks for defence purchases , it should be easy for you to prove it...the onus is on you not me.

Tell me what part of the below you fail to understand, also if you need instructions on how to use a search engine or LMM ask a friend or family member

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One very famous case was BCCI bank in the past that was going to help finance Mirage 2000 purchases, you can look it up

Also CBC bank of China"
 
I suspect the PAF will have a multiyear budget and procurement will follow according. There will be no big bang, they will slowly put in place the needed infra, get pilots and mechanics and engineers familiarised, maybe buy or loan a few models and then in Aug 2028 per my prediction take official inventory of half a squardron or more.

Money is no doubt the challenge but they must have budgeted for its procurement just the timelines maybe a little out.
Pilots can first be trained.

This force can serve as a hidden weapon, deterring any country attempting to attack Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

According to China's practice, arms sales are not made public. We still cannot find detailed information about the J-10CE contract.
 
Pilots can first be trained.

This force can serve as a hidden weapon, deterring any country attempting to attack Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

According to China's practice, arms sales are not made public. We still cannot find detailed information about the J-10CE contract.
Most of the arms sales by china to Pakistan are on highly discounted price or outright gifts ....china considers security of Pakistan as her own security.... In getting defence equipment from China money has never been an issue...china always asks Pakistan to be less adventurous and pay full attention to economy.
 
Most of the arms sales by china to Pakistan are on highly discounted price or outright gifts ....china considers security of Pakistan as her own security.... In getting defence equipment from China money has never been an issue...china always asks Pakistan to be less adventurous and pay full attention to economy.
My view is: it is not appropriate to apply economic calculations to politics and military matters.

Therefore, I do not agree with Michael's point of view. Your perspective roughly aligns with the actual situation. There are reports that Bangladesh, when procuring the J-10, requested China to provide the same discounts and payment terms as those offered to Pakistan.

In the history of friendly diplomatic relations between China and Pakistan, China once provided unconditional support to Pakistan, including tanks, fighter jets, artillery, and accompanying ammunition. These weapons were transferred from active forces to Pakistan. Moreover, aircraft customized for Pakistan were delivered ahead of schedule. This occurred during the 1965 war.

China firmly supports Pakistan in defending its national sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity. China will not allow India to gain an advantageous position on the battlefield. During peacetime, Pakistan needs to develop its defense industry technology, and China provides technology transfer, personnel training, and technical consultation. The current situation in India proves that Pakistan must follow the path of independent construction and reduce the proportion of imported weapons. This is a stage Pakistan must go through to become a regional power.

The "China-Pakistan Joint Statement" released today mentioned this point: Pakistan appreciates China's cooperation concept of "providing both the fish and the technique to catch the fish."
 
Tell me what part of the below you fail to understand, also if you need instructions on how to use a search engine or LMM ask a friend or family member

"
One very famous case was BCCI bank in the past that was going to help finance Mirage 2000 purchases, you can look it up

Also CBC bank of China"
Why argue with a fool?

It's a waste of your time and energy!

The results of Sharif and Munir's visit to China are in. You can analyze, judge, and predict based on this official statement. That's what's truly meaningful.
 
My view is: it is not appropriate to apply economic calculations to politics and military matters.

Therefore, I do not agree with Michael's point of view. Your perspective roughly aligns with the actual situation. There are reports that Bangladesh, when procuring the J-10, requested China to provide the same discounts and payment terms as those offered to Pakistan.

In the history of friendly diplomatic relations between China and Pakistan, China once provided unconditional support to Pakistan, including tanks, fighter jets, artillery, and accompanying ammunition. These weapons were transferred from active forces to Pakistan. Moreover, aircraft customized for Pakistan were delivered ahead of schedule. This occurred during the 1965 war.

China firmly supports Pakistan in defending its national sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity. China will not allow India to gain an advantageous position on the battlefield. During peacetime, Pakistan needs to develop its defense industry technology, and China provides technology transfer, personnel training, and technical consultation. The current situation in India proves that Pakistan must follow the path of independent construction and reduce the proportion of imported weapons. This is a stage Pakistan must go through to become a regional power.

The "China-Pakistan Joint Statement" released today mentioned this point: Pakistan appreciates China's cooperation concept of "providing both the fish and the technique to catch the fish."
China has one fear , if Pakistan gets too strong he may get horny and tempted to mount India.
 
Why argue with a fool?

It's a waste of your time and energy!

The results of Sharif and Munir's visit to China are in. You can analyze, judge, and predict based on this official statement. That's what's truly meaningful.
Yea , I am a fool and you are reincarnation of Sun Tzu ... what a conceited moron !
 
China has one fear , if Pakistan gets too strong he may get horny and tempted to mount India.
India and Pakistan have vastly different capacities, which cannot support your idea. Also, do you want to deal with a group of Hindus?

We can maintain our viewpoint, but this viewpoint has no evidence to support it.

What can be confirmed is: China firmly supports Pakistan in defending its national sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity, and firmly supports Pakistan's efforts to maintain national security, stability, and development prosperity.

The Kashmir issue is a historical dispute and should be properly resolved through peaceful means according to the United Nations Charter, relevant UN Security Council resolutions, and related bilateral agreements. These were UN Resolutions 39 and 47 in 1948. At that time, the Pakistani army was at a disadvantage, and these resolutions were favorable to Pakistan. So for a long period, Pakistan needed to passively defend against Indian aggression.

China does not want to see large-scale wars in the region now. If a war breaks out, it cannot be Pakistan that initiates the attack. First, this would violate UN resolutions. Second, India has over 1.4 billion people. War would create a large number of refugees. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China would have to carry out humanitarian aid. Do you know how much it costs to assist so many refugees? China assisted Cuba with 90,000 tons of rice, but each Cuban only received 8.2 kilograms. A large number of refugees smuggling into other countries would bring chaos to Asian countries; we can look at the European countries that accepted refugees. Pakistan and India are both nuclear-armed countries, with a certain probability of causing nuclear war. If Pakistan does not gain an advantage, China would need to support Pakistan, which would allow China's enemies to see an opportunity. The United States has always hoped that India would drag China into a long-term war, just like the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Pakistan needs to wait for an opportunity to resolve territorial issues. When China resolves the Taiwan issue, China, North Korea, and multinational forces led by the United States will go to war. Pakistan, on the other hand, needs to cooperate with the Western Military Region to confront the Indian army, and Pakistan can thoroughly resolve its border issues.
 
Would you care to elaborate on the deals ....

, what financial institutions were involved .... how much loan was approved and what were terms and conditions
Oh bhai, countries literally have Export and Import banks that finance various purchases.....this allows the buyer to buy your equipment thereby helping you economically. Chinese banks will finance Chinese company products. Same can be applied to defense products.

You don't want the buyer to go to another country and buy their product. For example, for european defense manufacturers, they represent a large part of the national economies and need constant contracts from overseas buyers to keep the jobs and manufacturing going.
 

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