PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Yasser76]

Russians are generally fine with India's tech transfer and industrial demands because Moscow really does depend on the cash for R&D and could scale even if India produces its own orders. That's how they've both operated since the 1970s, and it has largely worked out. And, from what I can gauge, it seems India's SOEs like HAL etc know how to collaborate with the Russians and are, in terms of absorbing the technology and localizing it, pretty adept at it.

The French (and Europeans generally) likely get antsy about India's industrial demands because of their own labor markets. I mean, between large-scale Indian immigration and offshoring to India, having to also have your fighters and national champions built by India has got to be grating. To India's credit, they've chipped away a lot of the hesitation, but I guess there are a few major sticking points that the French aren't going to relent on.

Agreed, and the longer negotiations drag on and the more Dassault develops it's own 6th gen and the older the Rafale becomes, I expect France may agree to more terms. If India does make the plane in India, you will see 4th Gen planes rolling off the production line 10 years from now. Europe, US and China will be rolling out 6th gen planes. A full 2 generations ahead.

Nothing to lose sleep over when PAF may well be fielding several J-35 sqds and probably looking at 6th gen options too

 

[Michael]

Agreed, and the longer negotiations drag on and the more Dassault develops it's own 6th gen and the older the Rafale becomes, I expect France may agree to more terms. If India does make the plane in India, you will see 4th Gen planes rolling off the production line 10 years from now. Europe, US and China will be rolling out 6th gen planes. A full 2 generations ahead.

Nothing to lose sleep over when PAF may well be fielding several J-35 sqds and probably looking at 6th gen options too

In Chinese game theory, there is a classic theory called "领先半步". ------ A direct translation of this term would be ambiguous. Furthermore, AI tools cannot accurately translate it into English.

Applying this theory to the military confrontation between Pakistan and India, it roughly means:

Pakistan's combat capabilities only need to be slightly superior to India's—not too much, not too little.

Currently, the J-10CE fighter jet system has enabled the PAF to achieve this goal. Therefore, PAF needs to control the pace of the game and cannot exceed IAF by too much.

 

[Yasser76]

In Chinese game theory, there is a classic theory called "领先半步". ------ A direct translation of this term would be ambiguous. Furthermore, AI tools cannot accurately translate it into English.

Applying this theory to the military confrontation between Pakistan and India, it roughly means:

Pakistan's combat capabilities only need to be slightly superior to India's—not too much, not too little.

Currently, the J-10CE fighter jet system has enabled the PAF to achieve this goal. Therefore, PAF needs to control the pace of the game and cannot exceed IAF by too much.

Unsure I understand, are you implying that if PAF can obtain overwhelming superiority it should not?

 

[Michael]

Unsure I understand, are you implying that if PAF can obtain overwhelming superiority it should not?

It's difficult for me to explain this to you clearly in English. I just tried using an AI tool to help me explain it in English. However, unfortunately, the AI couldn't do it.

This is a classic theory in Chinese game theory. Its core purpose is to protect oneself and prevent oneself from collapsing due to competition and confrontation.

When you compete and confront an opponent, keep your opponent in a state of "half-understanding" of your every move, making them believe that they can keep up with your competition and confrontation.

If you are too far ahead of your opponent, making your opponent completely unable to understand your actions, or causing your opponent to completely lose the will to fight against you, then you yourself will also be in a highly dangerous situation.

You can analyze this in detail:

1. In the US-China confrontation, the outside world has only a vague understanding of every step China has taken. China itself has deliberately suppressed many things, slowing down the pace of the confrontation.

2. The weapons and equipment China sells to Pakistan, and their actual combat capabilities compared to India, also conform to this logic. The aim is to prevent Pakistan from collapsing as a result.

This theory is very complex, and it's indeed difficult for me to explain it clearly in English.

 

[Yasser76]

It's difficult for me to explain this to you clearly in English. I just tried using an AI tool to help me explain it in English. However, unfortunately, the AI couldn't do it.

This is a classic theory in Chinese game theory. Its core purpose is to protect oneself and prevent oneself from collapsing due to competition and confrontation.

When you compete and confront an opponent, keep your opponent in a state of "half-understanding" of your every move, making them believe that they can keep up with your competition and confrontation.

If you are too far ahead of your opponent, making your opponent completely unable to understand your actions, or causing your opponent to completely lose the will to fight against you, then you yourself will also be in a highly dangerous situation.

You can analyze this in detail:

1. In the US-China confrontation, the outside world has only a vague understanding of every step China has taken. China itself has deliberately suppressed many things, slowing down the pace of the confrontation.

2. The weapons and equipment China sells to Pakistan, and their actual combat capabilities compared to India, also conform to this logic. The aim is to prevent Pakistan from collapsing as a result.

This theory is very complex, and it's indeed difficult for me to explain it clearly in English.

I think I am starting to understand more, thanks Michael